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This thread is not about GMO or Obama. Your posts have been reported as off-topic trolling.
My posts ARE in direct response to assertions made in this thread, and therefore are NOT off-topic. It's intellectually dishonest to bring up a point that then can't be challenged because some crybaby wails "that's off-topic" when someone successfully rebuts an assertion.
Please note that this post is in rebuttal to the "Wedge Document" that has been asserted in this thread. If anyone wants to hold all those who show there is evidence of ID to that document, then they must also concede that Obama is a racist as he's clearly indicated his spiritual mentor of 20+ years was the racist Rev. Wright.
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Originally Posted by WilliamSmyth
Yeah, Trinity UCC has a huge hangup over whites that is why they voluntarily remain a member church of the United Church of Christ which is overwhelmingly white (90%+).
Rev. Wright himself quite clearly indicated Trinity UCC was based on James Cone's racist Black Liberation Theology. I posted both Rev. Wright's own notes, and a racist quote from Cone.
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"The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology." [Note that Wright gets the book title wrong, it's actually Black Theology & Black Power.]
"To be black is to be committed to destroying everything this country loves and adores."
"Black theology will accept only a love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."
Both from his book, A Black Theology of Liberation.
All I have to say is that ID is a philosophical position and has no place in a science classroom. You can drum up the philosophical merits of ID all you want, but it's an inherently unscientific idea.
GMO crops are "unscientific?" That's patently laughable.
I'm not sure if this post was some attempt to humor yourself, but it gave me a chuckle
Good ... you get the same challenge that so many others have failed...
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Fair enough. Here's a challenge for you...
Prove that the currently existing GENETICALLY Modified crops would have evolved via the Theory of Evolution. Let's see your evolution map, including any and all possible offspring permutations, naturally occurring genetic mutations, rule out the deleterious effects of such mutations, the heritability of the mutated traits, etc., etc.
Here's only a partial list of GMO crops:
Maize
Wheat
Rapeseed/Canola
Soybeans
Cotton
And remember that several have stacked non-naturally occurring GM traits.
You can even use... gasp... SCIENCE to try to do it.
Please note that this post is in rebuttal to the "Wedge Document" that has been asserted in this thread. If anyone wants to hold all those who show there is evidence of ID to that document, then they must also concede that Obama is a racist as he's clearly indicated his spiritual mentor of 20+ years was the racist Rev. Wright.
Rev. Wright himself quite clearly indicated Trinity UCC was based on James Cone's racist Black Liberation Theology. I posted both Rev. Wright's own notes, and a racist quote from Cone. https://web.archive.org/web/20080325...ing_points.htm
A few more quotes from Cone...
"To be black is to be committed to destroying everything this country loves and adores."
"Black theology will accept only a love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."
Both from his book, A Black Theology of Liberation.
None of what you have written alters the fact that Rev. Wright's expression of Black Liberation Theology was to join and work within a denomination that is 90%+ white for 36 years. Likely even higher when Rev. Wright first joined the denomination. Trinity UCC began as an attempt to create a multi-racial congregation in 1961, which largely failed because few whites at the time had a desire to join a mixed congregation.
Neither Rev. Wright or Dr. Cone are racists, nor are most of the members at Trinity UCC (I'm sure in a congregation of thousands there are some racists).
BTW: At least one of your quotes from Dr. Cone is wrong. The text in the book states: "Black Theology will accept only a love of God which participates in the destruction of the White Oppressor".
The following is from another minister who has talked and written about White Oppression.
It is unfortunate that demonstrations are taking place in Birmingham, but it is even more unfortunate that the city's white power structure left the Negro community with no alternative.
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I suppose I should have realized that few members of the oppressor race can understand the deep groans and passionate yearnings of the oppressed race, and still fewer have the vision to see that injustice must be rooted out by strong, persistent and determined action.
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When I was suddenly catapulted into the leadership of the bus protest in Montgomery, Alabama, a few years ago, I felt we would be supported by the white church. I felt that the white ministers, priests and rabbis of the South would be among our strongest allies. Instead, some have been outright opponents, refusing to understand the freedom movement and misrepresenting its leaders; all too many others have been more cautious than courageous and have remained silent behind the anesthetizing security of stained-glass windows.
In spite of my shattered dreams, I came to Birmingham with the hope that the white religious leadership of this community would see the justice of our cause and, with deep moral concern, would serve as the channel through which our just grievances could reach the power structure. I had hoped that each of you would understand. But again I have been disappointed.
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I have watched white churchmen stand on the sideline and mouth pious irrelevancies and sanctimonious trivialities. In the midst of a mighty struggle to rid our nation of racial and economic injustice, I have heard many ministers say: "Those are social issues, with which the gospel has no real concern." And I have watched many churches commit themselves to a completely otherworldly religion which makes a strange, un-Biblical distinction between body and soul, between the sacred and the secular.
My posts ARE in direct response to assertions made in this thread, and therefore are NOT off-topic. It's intellectually dishonest to bring up a point that then can't be challenged because some crybaby wails "that's off-topic" when someone successfully rebuts an assertion.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Good ... you get the same challenge that so many others have failed...
This topic of this thread is about the debate between Bill Nye and Ken Ham on Young Earth Creationism. It's not about GMO crops or Obama or racism. You have not 'successfully rebutted' anything. You have copied and pasted the same posts that you posted over and over and over again from another thread and are once again behaving belligerently towards other posters who don't want to play your silly games just like you did in that other thread. That is troll behavior.
If you want to actually argue why you believe the Intelligent Design movement is NOT Creationism rebadged despite all the evidence that it is, and that humans creating GMO crops 'proves' anything at all about ID, then please go start your own thread.
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