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View Poll Results: Can America be more like Australia with low unemployment, high minimum wage and low murder rate?
YES 20 29.41%
NO 48 70.59%
Voters: 68. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-06-2014, 05:43 AM
 
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You have a math problem because AUS $16 per hour is ~US$15 per hour.
Huh?

 
Old 02-06-2014, 05:45 AM
 
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And they have 10% less disposable income than we do..

Why is that a good thing in your mind? I'm waiting for you to tell me..
Disposable income calculations maybe misleading as while Australians have universal healthcare, the cost of healthcare is a burden to many Americans.
 
Old 02-06-2014, 05:47 AM
 
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Could we repeat this social phenomenon in America? Please elaborate.
"social phenomenon"? i don't see any phenomena, i just see a simple statistical comparison.

you ask if those types of statistics are possible for today's U.S.? i doubt it. australia never had the sort of race-based, multi-generational slavery that we did.

slavery was an important factor in american history that makes the united states' demographics different than most other countries.
 
Old 02-06-2014, 05:49 AM
 
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Disposable income calculations maybe misleading as while Australians have universal healthcare, the cost of healthcare is a burden to many Americans.
Disposable income is the NET income AFTER all bills are paid, which includes healthcare.

try again..
 
Old 02-06-2014, 05:53 AM
 
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Before I answer, first tell me how you and the other two came to the conclusion that is America "did away" with guns, the violence and murders that are committed by criminals here would almost disappear?
Are you seriously trying to imply that getting rid of guns in the USA would have no impact on these figures?

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Suicide: 18,735 deaths
Homicide: 11,493 deaths
Unintentional: 554 deaths
Legal interventions: 333 deaths
Undetermined: 232 deaths

Total: 31,347 deaths

The second data set tracks non-fatal injuries by guns. According to the CDC, there were 73,505 non-fatal firearm injuries in 2010. (We will ignore an additional 13,851 non-fatal injuries from BB or pellet guns.)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ook-post-says/
 
Old 02-06-2014, 05:57 AM
 
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That's a load of bs. The removal of guns would NOT reduce the death toll to Australian levels. You are misinformed. And what does ethnicity and race have to do with murder rates?
Inform me then.

Ethnicity and racial composition are the biggest factors in determining the murder rate of a city or state in the US...look at E. St. Louis, Detroit, New Orleans and then compare that to Vermont or Idaho or Seattle.

Removal of guns would lower the murder rate. However, I don't trust our Govt enough to surrender mine.
 
Old 02-06-2014, 05:59 AM
 
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....and the US has no manufacturing jobs left to lose.
Right. What does the BLS say in JOLTS?

270,000 open jobs in Nov. of 2013.

Table 7. Job openings levels and rates by industry and region, not seasonally adjusted

Do you folks ever learn from your mistakes or do you just like freaking out every chance you get?
 
Old 02-06-2014, 05:59 AM
 
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Are you seriously trying to imply that getting rid of guns in the USA would have no impact on these figures?
Most gun violence in the country, resides in 3 cities.
If you remove all of them from the totals, the gun injuries in the country fall over 60%
 
Old 02-06-2014, 06:14 AM
 
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You have a math problem because AUS $16 per hour is ~US$15 per hour.
$16 in Australia is $14.40 in American.

But that doesn't tell the whole story.

On a year, the most significant price rises were for education (+5.6%), alcohol and tobacco (+5.4%), housing (+4.3%) and health (+1.9%) while the cost of clothes and footwear fell 1.3%.

The most significant price rises this quarter were for domestic holiday travel and accommodation (+6.9%), fruit (+8.1%), vegetables (+7.1%), new dwelling purchase by owner-occupiers (+1.0%), international holiday travel and accommodation (+2.6%) and tobacco (+2.2%). The most significant offsetting price fall this quarter was for automotive fuel (-1.1%).

Australia Inflation Rate | Actual Value | Historical Data | Forecast

Grocers are about 7% more than NYC and along with the whole CPI excluding rent. The one thing you do get about 42% cheaper than NYC is rent.

Anyways, you can expect that to continue to rise as wages increase education, alcohol and tabbacco and housing and decrease clothing and footwear. (Snickers)
 
Old 02-06-2014, 06:17 AM
 
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Disposable income calculations maybe misleading as while Australians have universal healthcare, the cost of healthcare is a burden to many Americans.
Well according to this Cost of Living Comparison Between United States and Australia Australia has a much higher (as much as 40-80% in most cases) cost of living for food, transportation, utilities, recreational, and room and board. What is misleading is the fact that you mention "high minimum" as if it's a good thing when in reality: A majority of Americans were NOT burdened with healthcare cost, but ALL Australians are burdened with higher taxes, cost of living costs as much as 40-80% higher than in the US, and OVER 13% (not 10% like pghquest thought) less disposable income than Americans have. Like was already mentioned, the grass is not always greener.
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