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Old 02-06-2014, 11:41 AM
 
Location: texas
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I disagree. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. Clear the lane and get traffic rolling. Why tie up the whole world for one accident?
This post is a clear indication of simplistic thinking. If it is an accident scene, then stabilizing the victim and removing him from the vehical is what is needed to get "traffic rolling".

If you can't handle the delay...drive your flying car.
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Old 02-06-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I know that there are still plenty of good cops out there, so I'm not going to hate on all of them. But why do we keep hearing more and more stories of cops acting like a bunch of thugs?
Hearing more does not imply there is more. The following have greatly impacted what we hear about.

Cell Phone cameras/video
The Internet
Bloggers
Social Media
Internet Forums
Media who are paid to sustain their target audience's outrage

And then there are the masses who cannot differentiate between a few, some, many and all.

In this particular case, it appears the Fire Department and CHP have a conflict of priorities.

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Old 02-06-2014, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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This post is a clear indication of simplistic thinking. If it is an accident scene, then stabilizing the victim and removing him from the vehical is what is needed to get "traffic rolling".

If you can't handle the delay...drive your flying car.
In this specific case the cop overreacted, but I see a blatant disregard for traffic so often. I don't mind if you're in the emergency lane and the lane next to it, but for a fender-bender, there is really no reason for emergency vehicles to occupy the next three lanes as well! The order of priorities should be this: 1. The Survivors. 2. unblock everything. 3. The rest of the investigation. Why does one idiot who can't control his vehicle get to snarl traffic for thousands more? Or better yet, rail incidents. It can be two hours from when a train hits a car or person till when it can move again, sometimes far longer. It shouldn't take any more time than to remove the debris from the tracks, remove any persons or parts of persons from the same, and bring in a relief crew if necessary. For commuter rail or transit lines, it shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to get moving again because crews aren't exactly hours away.
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Old 02-06-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: USA
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Hearing more does not imply there is more. The following have greatly impacted what we hear about.

Cell Phone cameras/video
The Internet
Bloggers
Social Media
Internet Forums
Media who are paid to sustain their target audience's outrage

And then there are the masses who cannot differentiate between a few, some, many and all.

In this particular case, it appears the Fire Department and CHP have a conflict of priorities.

That doesn't make it any better imo. I agree with your list though and that we are seeing more of what's actually going on.



How many people have had their rights violated or been the victims of corruption at the hands of Police???
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Old 02-06-2014, 12:59 PM
 
Location: texas
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In this specific case the cop overreacted, but I see a blatant disregard for traffic so often. I don't mind if you're in the emergency lane and the lane next to it, but for a fender-bender, there is really no reason for emergency vehicles to occupy the next three lanes as well! The order of priorities should be this: 1. The Survivors. 2. unblock everything. 3. The rest of the investigation. Why does one idiot who can't control his vehicle get to snarl traffic for thousands more? Or better yet, rail incidents. It can be two hours from when a train hits a car or person till when it can move again, sometimes far longer. It shouldn't take any more time than to remove the debris from the tracks, remove any persons or parts of persons from the same, and bring in a relief crew if necessary. For commuter rail or transit lines, it shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to get moving again because crews aren't exactly hours away.
If you feel inconvienced by accident investigations, and removal of the accident scene does not happen quickly enough for you, then maybe modern driving may not be for you.


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Old 02-06-2014, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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Oh yes, I'm really going to ride a bicycle 45 miles to my job. Well, I can always jump on the train...oh wait, none of those around here, well there's always the bus...hrm, nope none of those either. Plus, do you really think they'd let bicyclists through if they aren't letting cars through?
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Old 02-06-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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To prevent further accidents and deaths, duh! People working the scene of an accident need to be able to do so WITHOUT having to dodge vehicles going past them way too fast.
So you slow them way down but still allow them to go past. If there was no need to block every lane then every lane should not have been blocked. I wasn't there, so I do not know but I've seen many times where responders simply block everything even when traffic could safely be routed around an accident.

I understand this is how they are trained but like with anything one size never fits all.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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How many people have had their rights violated or been the victims of corruption at the hands of Police???
I suspect the prisons are chock full of people who perceive their rights have been violated or are victims of corruption at the hands of Police.

I am 56 and have never been pulled over for a traffic violation, hassled by the police or received a parking ticket. And I spent half of my life living and working in large urban areas.

My sister and I were talking about this just the other day and we concluded that we are now of the age where we are invisible. This might come in handy if and when we ever decide to engage in criminal behavior.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:15 PM
 
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In this specific case the cop overreacted, but I see a blatant disregard for traffic so often. I don't mind if you're in the emergency lane and the lane next to it, but for a fender-bender, there is really no reason for emergency vehicles to occupy the next three lanes as well! The order of priorities should be this: 1. The Survivors. 2. unblock everything. 3. The rest of the investigation. Why does one idiot who can't control his vehicle get to snarl traffic for thousands more? Or better yet, rail incidents. It can be two hours from when a train hits a car or person till when it can move again, sometimes far longer. It shouldn't take any more time than to remove the debris from the tracks, remove any persons or parts of persons from the same, and bring in a relief crew if necessary. For commuter rail or transit lines, it shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to get moving again because crews aren't exactly hours away.
an accident with injuries isnt a "fender bender". if you were a bit inconvenienced because a paramedic was tending to an injured person, too bad.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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So you slow them way down but still allow them to go past. If there was no need to block every lane then every lane should not have been blocked. I wasn't there, so I do not know but I've seen many times where responders simply block everything even when traffic could safely be routed around an accident.

I understand this is how they are trained but like with anything one size never fits all.

... and if someone dies, they block every lane and call it a potential "crime scene" the delays are even longer until the accident investigators arrive and make their reports.
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