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Old 02-07-2014, 05:00 AM
 
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Ever heard a neocon say that regulation could have stopped this chemical spill or that contamination? Ya, me neither. In WV that Coal Chemical spill is sending people to the hospital in the hundreds and it shutdown 5 schools as teachers and staff passed out due to the chemical in the water. But the neo cons like limbaugh and hannity think that more regulation is bad and we need to let the market place regulate them-self. LMAO What a bunch of dunces.
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Old 02-07-2014, 05:17 AM
 
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What a stupid thread.

There are already regulations in place
The checmical spill took place

Clearly the regulations didnt stop the spill, did it?
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:33 AM
 
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Blame should go to those that governed made policies,laws for the state of West Virginia for the past 50 years.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Ever heard a neocon say that regulation could have stopped this chemical spill or that contamination? Ya, me neither. In WV that Coal Chemical spill is sending people to the hospital in the hundreds and it shutdown 5 schools as teachers and staff passed out due to the chemical in the water. But the neo cons like limbaugh and hannity think that more regulation is bad and we need to let the market place regulate them-self. LMAO What a bunch of dunces.
So, you are saying that the EPA did not have any regulations in place to prevent this spill?
If so, please explain to me WHY our local power plant is scheduled to close this year, probably forever, because as it now stands it cannot comply with the new EPA regulations?
If the regulations ARE currently in place, (and I think they are) WHY did said regulations not prevent this spill?
Come to think of it, WHY did the EPA regulations not prevent the West Virginia chemical spill?
What a bunch of dunces, to think that a piece of paper (a regulation) will or can prevent mechanical failure!
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:48 AM
 
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So, you are saying that the EPA did not have any regulations in place to prevent this spill?
No, he's saying that stronger regulation (not just at the national level) could have prevented this spill and/or mitigated the damage after the spill.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:50 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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No, he's saying that stronger regulation (not just at the national level) could have prevented this spill and/or mitigated the damage after the spill.
Might as well just have the government run all the utilities. Didn't some other country try that in the 1930's?
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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No, he's saying that stronger regulation (not just at the national level) could have prevented this spill and/or mitigated the damage after the spill.

Baloney. This was not done on purpose. That is why they are called "accidents". A regulation only prevents the DELIBERATE contamination of the water.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:54 AM
 
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Might as well just have the government run all the utilities. Didn't some other country try that in the 1930's?
Public utilities have accidents too. This isn't a public/private issue, it's about accountability to the public, regardless of the purpose of organization.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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Baloney. This was not done on purpose. That is why they are called "accidents".
That's correct, it was an accident, due to what we call "negligence."

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A regulation only prevents the DELIBERATE contamination of the water.
No, proper regulations also protect against negligence.
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Old 02-07-2014, 06:22 PM
 
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What a stupid thread.

There are already regulations in place
The checmical spill took place

Clearly the regulations didnt stop the spill, did it?
Of course. If something doesn't work 100% of the time, it's just not worth doing.

If you're into the history of the organic chemical industry in the US (and who isn't, really?) you have of course read Max G. Gergel's hilarious autobiography "EXCUSE ME SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY A KILO OF ISOPROPYL BROMIDE?". (If somehow this work has evaded you, here's a link:
http://library.sciencemadness.org/li...yl_bromide.pdf)

Apart from its description of the founding of Columbia Organic (a proper US rags-to-riches entrepreneur story, and I say that without any irony, Mr. Gergel worked industriously and was amply rewarded) it contains hair-raising descriptions of people handling extremely hazardous chemicals as if they were salt and flour, and it depicts - multiple times - how chemical waste was treated back before the EPA got up in everybody's grill.

That is to say, it was poured into a hole in the ground.

Water tables? Run-off? Not part of the business plan. I'm not saying Mr. Gergel was a bad person for allowing this to happen - all of his competitors did the same, and he'd be out of business if he added the cost of properly disposing of waste.

That's why we need an enforcement body, with enough muscle to force businesses to comply. We tried the other way, and it didn't work. We're still cleaning up those messes.

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