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Old 02-07-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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For all he knew it was some bad guys kicking down his door to steal his pot. Had he shot up a gang-banger or pothead it would have never even gone to a grand jury.

Had the police announced themselves and he still opened fire, then all bets are off.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:20 PM
 
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no-knock needs to go away, except in very dire, specific circumstances.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:25 PM
 
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This is a complicated one but in the end I agree with the jury. It's some pot. Knock on the door.
Law enforcement is a dangerous job, it's sad that the officer was killed.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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I always side with the victims of police abuse but in this case I believe the dude is guilty as he was victim of no abuse. The police had a warrant, this man is a criminal who was growing an illegal substance. The reason why they don't knock and surprise the criminals is to prevent them from retrieving weapons or destroying the evidence.

People ( should ) have the right to defend themselves against the police when the police is abusing its power and performing illegal arrests, searches, or seizures. When the police has a warrant and is rightfully conducting a legal arrest, search or seizure, people have no right to resist against law enforcement.
So instead of waiting until the guy left the house to detain him they risk an officers life to kick the door in unannounced? There was no "urgent need" to enter the home, it isn't as if the pot plants could be flushed down the toilet. They KNEW he had weapons according to their "informant". Why not wait until the guy is out of the house in plain sight? Why risk someones life kicking in a door over a few pot plants?

The problem is he had no idea they were law enforcement officers. Unless I hear a knock at the door and and am served the warrant BEFORE the police enter the building I am going to assume it is a home invasion. Anybody can yell "Police" but until I see a badge and a warrant they are suspects.

I hope this incident as well as others that have resulted in the deaths of innocent citizens is a wake up call. The cops have to stop being thugs and use their brains.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:50 PM
 
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Law enforcement is a dangerous job, it's sad that the officer was killed.
I'm not happy he was killed because it never should have happened.
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Old 02-07-2014, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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Texas deputy slaying suspect thought he was victim

Digging further this is getting sicker and sicker......

Quote "DeGuerin said authorities left a copy of the search warrant at Magee's home, as required by law. He said his client had two marijuana plants and several seedlings in his home for "personal use," along with the rifle used in the shooting and several other guns, which the attorney said were all owned legally"....

The cop died over two plants? Two plants? Under Texas law the most this "criminal" would have been doing is a maximum of two years in jail and a 10,000 dollar fine.

The cops kicked in the mans door over a very small personal grow? He wasn't selling it, he was growing it so he didn't have to deal with the criminal element that does sell it.
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Old 02-07-2014, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Violation of the 4th amendment can be deadly...
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Old 02-07-2014, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Texas deputy slaying suspect thought he was victim

Digging further this is getting sicker and sicker......

Quote "DeGuerin said authorities left a copy of the search warrant at Magee's home, as required by law. He said his client had two marijuana plants and several seedlings in his home for "personal use," along with the rifle used in the shooting and several other guns, which the attorney said were all owned legally"....

The cop died over two plants? Two plants? Under Texas law the most this "criminal" would have been doing is a maximum of two years in jail and a 10,000 dollar fine.

The cops kicked in the mans door over a very small personal grow? He wasn't selling it, he was growing it so he didn't have to deal with the criminal element that does sell it.
And that's the kicker. The person who was in charge of this needs to be fired. A cop died all because someone had a couple of plants.
The police should never have gone in there in the first place.
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Old 02-07-2014, 05:59 PM
 
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Police are constantly getting away with murder of citizens by claiming defense; great to see the shoe on the other foot for a change.
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Old 02-07-2014, 06:08 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Texas deputy slaying suspect thought he was victim

Digging further this is getting sicker and sicker......

Quote "DeGuerin said authorities left a copy of the search warrant at Magee's home, as required by law. He said his client had two marijuana plants and several seedlings in his home for "personal use," along with the rifle used in the shooting and several other guns, which the attorney said were all owned legally"....

The cop died over two plants? Two plants?
Did the cops know he had only two plants when they kicked the door down?

Or did they just know he "had some marijuana", which could have been two plants or two hundred plants... or an easily flushable lid?
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