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Old 02-11-2014, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Changes in the Pacific currents are already effecting California... Climate scientists specifically predicted a decade ago that Arctic ice loss would bring on worse droughts in the West, especially California. As it turns out, Arctic ice loss has been much faster than the researchers — and indeed all climate modelers — expected. Leading Scientists Explain How Climate Change Is Worsening California's Epic Drought | ThinkProgress

Remember how the climate deniers went after Stephen Chu, Obama’s first Energy Secretary, when Chu described Climate Change’s threat to California agriculture? Given the importance of California agriculture in supplying the fruits and vegetables that Americans have come to expect all winter long, the current drought is something that could have significant impact on American’s pocket books.

2009 story from the LATimes:.... Chu warned of water shortages plaguing the West and Upper Midwest and particularly dire consequences for California, his home state, the nation’s leading agricultural producer. In a worst case, Chu said, up to 90% of the Sierra snowpack could disappear, all but eliminating a natural storage system for water vital to agriculture. Well guess what,.it is happening today. California Drought: “Unprecedented” | Climate Denial Crock of the Week

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/us...ing-worst.html

FAIRBANKS, Alaska — Ounce for ounce, methane has an effect on global warming more than 30 times more potent than carbon dioxide, and it’s leaking from the Arctic Ocean at an alarming rate, according to new research by scientists at the University of Alaska Fairbanks. Arctic Ocean leaking methane at alarming rate, researchers say | Local News | The Seattle Times

The East Siberian Arctic Shelf is venting at least 17 teragrams of the methane into the atmosphere each year. A teragram is equal to 1 million tons. It is now on par with the methane being released from the arctic tundra. Methane is a greenhouse gas more than 30 times more potent than carbon dioxide. Arctic seafloor methane releases double previous estimates -- ScienceDaily
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:13 PM
 
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Changes in the Pacific currents are already effecting California... Climate scientists specifically predicted a decade ago that Arctic ice loss would bring on worse droughts in the West, especially California. As it turns out, Arctic ice loss has been much faster than the researchers — and indeed all climate modelers — expected. Leading Scientists Explain How Climate Change Is Worsening California's Epic Drought | ThinkProgress
A week ago, Denis McDonough, President Obama’s chief of staff, sought to connect the drought to global warming. “California,” he said, “is now seeing some pretty serious developments as a result of climate change.” The White House hasn’t pushed this point since, and it has good reason not to: Scientists haven’t yet found any apparent climate change connection to this particular event.

House Republicans muddy California’s water crisis - The Washington Post
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
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Scientists made many predictions in the past about how AGW would change the planet. The funny thing is that AGW believers highlight the ones that turned out to be true as proof that they are right, while at the same time ignoring the ones that turned out to be wrong. Sometimes they even make stuff up as well like global weirding to create even more hysteria.
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:27 PM
 
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Did you know water vapor is a stronger greenhouse gas. Look at all the evaporation from the ocean. We have to get rid of the ocean! /end sarcasm
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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How is it relevant? We are talking about climate change here. Sure the globals pick some obscure number like 1880 to go back to and base their BS on that. 100 or so years is not climate change.....they are trying to sucker us all. Only the dupes fall for it. Are you one?
Looking at the larger picture of climate, and the current range of temps are put into proper context. historically speaking we are experiencing a very, very cold climate.

The big picture: 65 million years of temperature swings « JoNova

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Old 02-11-2014, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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It's time for a good ELE. Bring it on.
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Global warming is accumulating in the Earth's climate system at a rate equivalent to about 4 Hiroshima atomic bomb detonations, 2 Hurricane Sandys, or 4 magnitude 6.0 earthquakes per second.

The amount of energy building up on Earth due to human-caused global warming can be difficult to picture. 250 trillion Joules per second sounds like a lot, but what does that mean in terms people can more easily visualize? This widget, created by Bob Lacatena at Skeptical Science, tries to do just that.
New widget counts global warming happening at 4 Hiroshima atomic bombs per second | Dana Nuccitelli | Environment | theguardian.com
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
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Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early 21st century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally averaged temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a roll-back of the industrial age.
~ Dr. Richard Lindzen, a professor of atmospheric science at MIT
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