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This country survived 238 years with no need to have I'd to vote. The only reason it is being pushed now is because republicans are losing elections. Period.
Giving people a free photo ID in order to try to and prevent voter fraud, is somehow helping Republicans to win elections???? Give me a freaking break.
Giving people a free photo ID in order to try to and prevent voter fraud, is somehow helping Republicans to win elections???? Give me a freaking break.
Ahhh here we agree. It is insane to give out free ID to avoid voter fraud - which does not exist.
So obvious you agree we should not waste the money on what is obvious Republican fantasy?
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Originally Posted by DauntlessDan
I don't understand what is wrong with having to produce a picture I.D. to show that you are who you are, in order to vote. You have to have a picture I.D. to operate an automobile. In order to obtain a concealed carry permit. You have to show a picture I.D. to remove money from your bank account (unless you use an ATM). To cash a check. Yet people scream up and down no picture I.D. to vote. A picture I.D. not only shows that you are who you say you are but that you are a legal resident of the state you are voting in (in most cases). Or at least show a picture I.D. to get a voter card to show when you vote. I guess if you want to sway the vote with illegal voters, dead voters, opposing a picture I.D. is the thing to do.
Driving, drinking, having a gun, taking cash out at the bank, are privileges that not every one is guaranteed. Voting is a RIGHT.
This country survived 238 years with no need to have I'd to vote. The only reason it is being pushed now is because republicans are losing elections. Period.
Sure, it has nothing to do with the fact that we have a large illegal immigrant population, or the instances of voter fraud, or the fact that many elections are decided by the slimmest of margins and ineligible voters should not be the deciding vote.
If you ask me, it's insulting to insinuate that poor people aren't capable of obtaining proof needed to vote. How do they get jobs without ID? How do they get registered to vote without some proof of eligibility? I certainly had to show a birth certificate many years ago when I obtained a driver's license. I don't even mind if they allow people with expired or suspended licenses to vote as long as they have the ID and it was obtained by that person by proving citizenship. Nelson Mandela never seemed to think it was racist to require ID to vote.
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Sure, it has nothing to do with the fact that we have a large illegal immigrant population, or the instances of voter fraud, or the fact that many elections are decided by the slimmest of margins and ineligible voters should not be the deciding vote.
There has not been a single rational claim that illegal aliens are voting. It is legal aliens who do.
If you don't want ineligible voters you would of course ban absentee ballots a major source of irregularities.
There has not been a single rational claim that illegal aliens are voting. It is legal aliens who do.
If you don't want ineligible voters you would of course ban absentee ballots a major source of irregularities.
Never happens though. Absentees vote Republican.
The majority of absentees voting Republican are military. Are you saying they vote fraudulently? Not very likely in my experience. Military people are generally law-abiding, and not a homogenous voting group either. Many also vote Democrat, via absentee ballots.
I agree with your overall point that certain types of voting wouldn't even be helped by voter ID laws. But then again, it's left up to the individual states to set up their own voting apparatus. I sure wouldn't want a large state like Texas to use mail-in ballots like tiny Oregon does. Oregon can get away with it because of their small population, but I'd still think it's rife with fraud, especially in the local elections.
Voter fraud is happening, whether it's been proven or not. Many instances aren't even investigated because if the party in charge controls the whole apparatus, then who is going to bring charges? Think a Democrat is going to investigate Democrat voter fraud, or a Republican is going to investigate Republican fraud? My guess is not unless they were caught with their proverbial hand in the cookie jar.
So it seems to me that in this day and age, when photo IDs are required for all manner of things, then it's not inherently racist to require someone show ID at the polling location. I personally find it convenient because I'm not very good at keeping track of my voter registration card even though I get one in the mail every year. Now I can just show my ID and it's checked against a list in my precinct. Easy peasy.
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