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Old 02-16-2014, 03:37 AM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Don't want to watch? Don't attend!

Your dinner didn't magically appear at your local grocer wrapped in cellophane and styrofoam. A cow, chicken, turkey, fish, etc. was bred, treated like crap it's entire life, slaughtered and chopped up for you to eat! The circle of life includes life and death. EVERYTHING dies!

What's wrong with using the giraffe to feed the lions? They need to eat. This wasn't your pet Fluffy. This is a zoo in Europe. They can do what they want. Don't like it? Don't go! It's a pretty simple concept.

Where's the outcry about the animals on feed lots and how crappy they are treated? Nope. Can't worry about that. Instead, have to go on about a zoo feeding it's animals. Makes no sense!


Here's the outcry - I don't eat those animals either. There are know dead animals on my plate because I know just how horrible slaughter is.
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Old 02-16-2014, 05:09 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Oxford Centre for Animal Ethics

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Old 02-16-2014, 05:31 AM
 
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Personally I think this opens up a wider debate in terms of the purpose and future need for Zoos and Sea Parks, and it also throws open questions in relation to the treatment of animals by Zoos. Indeed are Zoos relevant today or are they a throw back to another era.

Opinion: Killing of Marius the Giraffe Exposes Myths About Zoos

Why arguments for killing of giraffe Marius don't stand up to scrutiny - CNN.com

Marius the giraffe and Longleat lions: What's the role of modern zoos? | Metro News
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Old 02-16-2014, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Lets not forget that people used to find it amusing to pay to see the Lunatics pacing their cells and cages in places such as the Bethlem Royal Hospital (also known as the Bethlehem Hospital and, informally and most notoriously, Bedlam) in London.

There has also been a long history of gothic horror and freak shows, with the Victorians being fascinated by such curiosities. Indeed John Merrick (the Elephant Man) was initially part of the Freak Show Circuit and Penny Gaff shows before Surgeon Frederick Treves intervened, whilst when Thomas Edison wanted to demonstrate electricity he did so by passing a massive voltage through an Elephant before a crowd and film cameras at Coney Island in 1903, thereby killing the poor animal.

It is in this context that the bizarre and unpleasant killing of a giraffe and live autopsy in Copenhagen can be viewed, and it clearly demonstrates how little we have advanced and throws in to question the true purpose of zoos, are they there for the scientific protection of animals or are they along with sea parks, the last of the Victorian Curiosity Shows, where people pay their money to be entertained by the unfortunate animals and species hemmed in to cages or forced to preform for our amusement or indeed executed and autopsied in public for our amazement.

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“... you find yourself in a long and wide gallery, on either side of which are a large number of little cells where lunatics of every description are shut up, and you can get a sight of these poor creatures, little windows being let into the doors. Many inoffensive madmen walk in the big gallery. On the second floor is a corridor and cells like those on the first floor, and this is the part reserved for dangerous maniacs, most of them being chained and terrible to behold. On holidays numerous persons of both sexes, but belonging generally to the lower classes, visit this hospital and amuse themselves watching these unfortunate wretches, who often give them cause for laughter. On leaving this melancholy abode, you are expected by the porter to give him a penny but if you happen to have no change and give him a silver coin, he will keep the whole sum and return you nothing”

Inveterate letter-writer César de Saussure's account of Bethlem during his 1725 tour of London's sights

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Old 02-16-2014, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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A giraffe got killed and some lions got fed.

Happens...every...day.
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Old 02-16-2014, 12:18 PM
 
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A giraffe got killed and some lions got fed.

Happens...every...day.
In Copenhagen.
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:17 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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They do dissect frogs on schools.
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:19 PM
 
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They do dissect frogs on schools.
Yup. I dissected a huge grasshopper and worm also. My sister did those and a fetal pig. There wasn't a public outcry over that.
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Old 02-17-2014, 06:46 AM
 
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Yup. I dissected a huge grasshopper and worm also. My sister did those and a fetal pig. There wasn't a public outcry over that.
There is a world of difference between dissecting a grasshopper and a large mammal. Furthermore most schools in the UK and many other pats if the world have abandoned such practices and now use alternative artificial teaching aids and demonstrations.

"Students don’t need to cut up animals to understand basic anatomy and physiology. Those who plan to go into a medical field would do better to study humans in a controlled and supervised setting, examine human cadavers, or use any of the many non-animal learning methods available, such as those provided by computer models and sophisticated simulators. This type of simulation-based education would more accurately reflect what students will encounter when they get to medical school, since more than 90 percent of U.S. medical schools have abandoned the use of animals in their standard curricula".
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Old 02-18-2014, 08:56 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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There is a world of difference between dissecting a grasshopper and a large mammal. Furthermore most schools in the UK and many other pats if the world have abandoned such practices and now use alternative artificial teaching aids and demonstrations.

"Students don’t need to cut up animals to understand basic anatomy and physiology. Those who plan to go into a medical field would do better to study humans in a controlled and supervised setting, examine human cadavers, or use any of the many non-animal learning methods available, such as those provided by computer models and sophisticated simulators. This type of simulation-based education would more accurately reflect what students will encounter when they get to medical school, since more than 90 percent of U.S. medical schools have abandoned the use of animals in their standard curricula".
What is next? Stop using lab rats for experiments, telling kids not to shoot crows with BB guns?
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