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Old 03-13-2014, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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American citizens have a fundamental right to vote. Is it wrong to ask for proof of citizenship before granting that right?
Voter ID laws do not prove citizenship. The prove identity.
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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How is asking for a simple photo ID to vote a burden?
Not all eligible voters have a photo ID.
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I have a hard time believing that.
Then perhaps you should depend less on mere "belief" and actually spend some time seeing what the research proves.

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And how come liberals are always saying there is no proof to back up claims of voter fraud? There are plenty of cases that do back up the claim.
Straw man. Liberals do not say "there is no proof to back up claims of voter fraud." We say 1) The voter fraud is so rare and insignificant that it is not a real problem with our electoral system, and 2) Voter ID laws actually do nothing to prevent most of even the trivial examples provided by advocates.

If you are going to argue with liberals, actually argue with them rather than with the voices in your head.
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What about the ACORN scandal a few years back, them filling in false information on voter registration cards?
Those were not voter fraud cases. Those were voter registration fraud cases, and to the extent that some of them were true, Voter ID would have done exactly nothing to prevent them.

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What about politicians in South Texas bringing people from Mexico to vote?
I am completely unfamiliar with the claim. Sounds like an Urban Legend to me... because how would they vote without having already been registered?

Do you have any citations for that tae?

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Why do you think the phrase "Vote Early, Vote Often," actually came into the lexicon in Chicago?
Because it's funny.

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There are documented cases. I know they say it's a drop in the bucket, but when the country is so evenly divided and elections are won by so few votes it does matter.
The number of elections decided by "so few votes" is also vanishingly small.

Certainly, you would not suggest we deny tens of thousands of US citizens their right to vote simply because you are afraid it might swing a city council race in Dubuque.
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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If voting is important to them and the law states one must have an ID to do so, then I would suppose they would do those things. Other countries require ID to vote. It's not an outlandish proposition.
You suppose?

News flash: what is true or not true is not determined by what you "suppose."
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:36 PM
 
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Because people who dont drive dont need photo ID's.

for them to get one, they have to pay the cost of the ID, the cost of travel to the DMV and take off from work.
Wouldn't they have needed photo ID to get a job legally?
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Old 03-13-2014, 04:08 PM
 
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Those were not voter fraud cases. Those were voter registration fraud cases, and to the extent that some of them were true, Voter ID would have done exactly nothing to prevent them.


I am completely unfamiliar with the claim. Sounds like an Urban Legend to me... because how would they vote without having already been registered?

Do you have any citations for that tae?


Because it's funny.


The number of elections decided by "so few votes" is also vanishingly small.

Certainly, you would not suggest we deny tens of thousands of US citizens their right to vote simply because you are afraid it might swing a city council race in Dubuque.
I agree, the voter registration process is terrible. Apparently there are people who get voter registration with no proof of eligibility. Oh, and I always assumed LBJ won his first seat by having people trucked in across the border since many of the irregularities came from the Rio Grande Valley, but it's possible that it was just ballot stuffing. Either way it was massive voter fraud.

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Old 03-13-2014, 10:26 PM
 
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Why do people continue voting for liberal Democrats whose policies imply that you are inferior, stupid, and culturally immoral? When the NAACP and Democrats claim that requiring a photo ID disenfranchises blacks, such implies we are stupid. Why millions of blacks are not highly insulted by this absurd claim. Do blacks fly? Do blacks drive cars? Do blacks cash checks?
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Old 03-13-2014, 10:30 PM
 
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Why do people continue voting for liberal Democrats whose policies imply that you are inferior, stupid, and culturally immoral? When the NAACP and Democrats claim that requiring a photo ID disenfranchises blacks, such implies we are stupid. Why millions of blacks are not highly insulted by this absurd claim. Do blacks fly? Do blacks drive cars? Do blacks cash checks?
agreed. It's insulting.
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Old 03-13-2014, 10:39 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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