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With a smoking ban we don't need smoking and nonsmoking bars, and there seems to be plenty of smokers still showing up to nonsmoking bars, so it doesn't seem like the law is upsetting them that much.
The law is obviously upsetting them and business owners being that many of them have and still are challenging the law in court. The fact that they are being forced into doing something in no why implies that they aren't bothered by it Einstein... Try again...
The business of a bar is to be what every the owner says it is. The type of clientele the bar wants to target is their business, not yours. No one is forcing you to go into bars that allow smoking. Basically, you want your rights to be acknowledged while ignoring the rights of others. If I open a bar, put a sign on my front door that clearly says that smoking is allowed in my bar, and you see, read, and still willfully decide to open the door and walk inside my bar, please explain how your rights are being assaulted and trumped lol? I feel like I'm talking to special ed students.
Bars have to obey the business laws that are set up in each state, even if you don't like the law.
The law is obviously upsetting them and business owners being that many of them have and still are challenging the law in court. The fact that they are being forced into doing something in no why implies that they aren't bothered by it Einstein... Try again...
"Many" is a subjective word on this site. I bet more bars are happy with this law than are not. Smokers are still showing up at the bars, so a smoking ban isn't preventing that.
I am consistently amazed that FREEDOM OF CHOICE is so regularly ignored!
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY will try any coercion at all to make one patronize a place where they would rather not go! If the tavern or restaurant or casino is a den of smokers, JUST DON'T GO THERE!
So what if it is the only place in town that serves the unusual foods that you crave, STAY AWAY!
Conversely, if the tavern or restaurant or casino does not allow smoking (or anything else that you want) JUST DON'T GO THERE!
So what if it serves the very best biscuits and sausage gravy in the world, with hash browns and eggs to order, and you can't live without your weekly fix of carbohydrates, JUST STAY AWAY!
THAT, y'see, is known as FREEDOM OF CHOICE!
Before somebody raises the "discrimination" angle, YES, ABSOLUTELY, the business owner DOES have the right, IMO, to limit his or her clientele in any way he/she sees fit, even to the point of restricting the right to discuss politics or religion!
Bars have to obey the business laws that are set up in each state, even if you don't like the law.
Again, your stating the obvious, but the whole point of this discussion is whether it should be a law. I agree that others shouldn't be put into a position where they are "forced" to inhale second hand smoke, but I disagree with forcing people/clientele and business owners who want to smoke in bars that are labeled as such from being able to smoke.
Again, your stating the obvious, but the whole point of this discussion is whether it should be a law. I agree that others shouldn't be put into a position where they are "forced" to inhale second hand smoke, but I disagree with forcing people/clientele and business owners who want to smoke in bars that are labeled as such from being able to smoke.
Well the laws don't prevent smokers from going to drink, so I don't think these smoking ban laws are as bad as you wish they were.
No. The win-win is allowing the business owner to decide what is best for them, and how they operate their business, without big government nanny state BS, or the collective deciding what is best for that owner, or the individual. If the establishment allows it cool, then it is up to you to decide to either go in, or go elsewhere. Likewise if the establishment doesn't allow it, then it is up to me to decide whether to go in, or go elsewhere.
Nope in this country we have labor laws and made it so workers won't have to subjected to unnecessarily unsafe/non-healthy working conditions. It has been decided LEGALLY, in many states that second hand smoke provide is a health concern and not allowed.....
This isn't an issue of not liking so you can go somewhere else. Educate yourself and realize you lost as smokers.
The business of a bar is to be what every the owner says it is. The type of clientele the bar wants to target is their business, not yours. No one is forcing you to go into bars that allow smoking. Basically, you want your rights to be acknowledged while ignoring the rights of others. If I open a bar, put a sign on my front door that clearly says that smoking is allowed in my bar, and you see, read, and still willfully decide to open the door and walk inside my bar, please explain how your rights are being assaulted and trumped lol? I feel like I'm talking to special ed students.
You, as a business owner, are, of course, free to allow smoking in your establishment - no arguments whatsoever, from me.
What you don't have is the right to waive my right NOT be assaulted by the toxins smokers generate. If you are going to allow a dangerous activity, it is on YOU to insure that the carrying out of that activity doesn't harm others.
Imagine I had a bb-gun range, and allowed people to shoot bb-guns. that is my right, but I don't have the right to authorize others to shoot other patrons. I can't waive your rights NOT To be harmed, even if the action that harms you is ancillary to the business.
You could always be an adult as well, and remove yourself from a situation like establishments that allow smoking, or a group of smokers huddling outside, instead of whining to the government to do your bidding. Call me crazy, but if I don't like something I take the necessary steps to remove myself from the situation, or don't partake.
Your opinion lives in a bygone era that developed when virtually everyone smoked, and nobody saw it as a violation of their rights.
Like the dodo, those days are long gone. Adjust your thinking to be in comportment with the changing demographics, and the rights of the emerged majority not to have the toxin inflicted upon them.
Involuntary Servitude is gone as well, just in case.....
"Many" is a subjective word on this site. I bet more bars are happy with this law than are not. Smokers are still showing up at the bars, so a smoking ban isn't preventing that.
You'd be suprised. When the ban first went into effect in Ohio I was still a DJ in the club scene. It went into effect on a Thursday night, and virtually killed the evening. Thursdays at that place I was working at was the biggest night of the week, followed by Saturday. That weekend it was announced that there was some kind of grace period, where the laws weren't going to be enforced until May, and therefore on that Saturday, out came the ashtrays, and the people. The other sad thing was the fact that the Browns were playing the Steelers that Thursday night, and the Browns being on national tv should have been a huge draw for the bars around here. Nope. At any rate, there are a lot people around here that don't go to the bars anymore due to the bans. Not to mention it's too damn expensive to drink at a bar anymore. And let's not forget that cops with their DUI checkpoints, or hassling patrons leaving the bars, and handing out DUIs like candy nowadays.
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