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Old 02-10-2014, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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Do you believe in Social Darwinism which in short is Darwin's theory of evolution survival of the fittest applied to economics. This was an theory brought forward by Herbert Spencer and William Graham Sumner in the 19th century. Survival of the fittest means whatever fate falls to the economically disadvantaged (starvation, homelessness, death) will be for the benefit of mankind long term because the weakest economically are eliminated. By providing social welfare programs for the elderly, sick , disadvantaged, and disabled mankind is retarding development of his species economically.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:42 PM
 
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Do you believe in Social Darwinism which in short is Darwin's theory of evolution survival of the fittest applied to economics. This was an theory brought forward by Herbert Spencer and William Graham Sumner in the 19th century. Survival of the fittest means whatever fate falls to the economically disadvantaged (starvation, homelessness, death) will be for the benefit of mankind long term because the weakest economically are eliminated. By providing social welfare programs for the elderly, sick , disadvantaged, and disabled mankind is retarding development of his species economically.
Nah!

You didn't factor in that everybody is somebody's lunch.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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If you are too stupid to keep yourself alive, why should I care and/or pay for your stupid mistakes?
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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So what about the elderly on social security and medicare? According to that philosophy that should be eliminated. Chime in Libertarians.
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:51 AM
 
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So what about the elderly on social security and medicare? According to that philosophy that should be eliminated. Chime in Libertarians.
This is a common "let's see how mean and cruel libertarians are" question, but it typically rests on a few faleshoods, primarily that Social Security and Medicare are THE ONLY POSSIBLE ways to provide economic support to the nation's elderly, and/or that either program should just disappear, as in literally blink out existence in one second without a transition from what has become entrenched dependency.

Social Darwinism isn't about killing the weak/slow, it's about not stopping the consequences of one's actions from acting as predator/nature. Social Security and Medicare were FORCED onto the populace. To be someone who actually voted for a politician who voted yea on creating Social Security, you need to be 100+ years old. There may be a couple hundred people in America who were actually of voting age when that nonsense was forced onto the American people. So no libertarian or social Darwinist is putting the blame for SS or Medicare onto the people collecting it, nor all of paying into it by force.

Essentially, the government fenced in all of the antelopes onto a very small plot of land, giving them a fixed, meager amount of food water in exchange for safety from the cheetahs. The antelopes did not build that fence 80 years, but a few generations have always existed within its boundaries, and to simply remove the fence and say "tough it out, weaklings!!" causes harm to and blames the wrong parties for the fact that over 80 years, antelopes have lost their natural defenses and keen sense to avoid predation.

SS and Medicare are anathema to freedom, same as ObamaCare because there's no choice of participation in these "beneficial" programs. Everyone, under direct threat of force from the government, must "contribute" and "for their own good." So clearly they should be transitioned back to people choosing for themselves how to apply 15% of their first $115k of salary to their own future. But you cannot just overnight take someone who had a federal gun in their face for 50+ years and dump them off the plantation they've been shackled to because they were never given the choice with 15% of their lifetime earnings, and deserve the protection that was built into that removal of freedom.

But you can decide today to start the transition away from the forced shackling of that 15% of everyone's earnings, and over a few generations evolve the antelopes back to where defending against the cheetahs is natural and instinctive. If done that way, then of course a libertarian would defend social Darwinism, because in a world where people are not forced from the age of 18 until death to contribute 15% of their earnings into two separate yet equally woeful "retirement vehicles" like SS and Medicare, the individual will have had half a century to guide how their own individual elderly years would unfold financially. At that future state, I could easily defend the survival of the fittest, because each individual would have been free to choose how each day/week/month/year went as far as being either ant or grasshopper, and at the retirement age, would have nobody to blame but themselves. That is not the world we currently live in, since Leviathan took over making those choices for everyone 4 generations ago.
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Old 02-11-2014, 09:15 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Do you believe in Social Darwinism which in short is Darwin's theory of evolution survival of the fittest applied to economics. This was an theory brought forward by Herbert Spencer and William Graham Sumner in the 19th century. Survival of the fittest means whatever fate falls to the economically disadvantaged (starvation, homelessness, death) will be for the benefit of mankind long term because the weakest economically are eliminated. By providing social welfare programs for the elderly, sick , disadvantaged, and disabled mankind is retarding development of his species economically.
Yep, that's all true, however, humanity makes an effor to mitigate the imapct.

Medicine and surgery also muck up survival of the fittest in its most raw form. The selection goes on to a degree despite our interferrence.

The US government and more so its people have done more to aleviate human suffering on a global scale.

Politicians exploit suffering to advance political agendas. They need the undertrodden upon which to stand.
Politicians have evolved like darwin's finches to take advantage of the intelligence level, awareness and behavior of the voters in order to be attractive, get re-elected and enjoy the benefits exclusive to legislators and oiffic holders.

Natual selection is a good thing on several levels but it does not need to be an all or nothing at all situation. It will occur despite our efforts.

Nature requires or rather demands diversity to meet changing conditions. It is tough love to encourge survival. That's why most families have a kid that doesn't seem to belong.

Don't be fooled, natural selection is also occurring in insect vectors of disease, bacteria and viruses. they are our competition and receive as much support from nature as we do.
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