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When the executive branch ignores the Constitution what is the remedy?
Anyone that has been harmed has action against any President's 'unconstitutional" actions.
A case in point is when the President Obama made and filled positions to the National Relations Labor Board without 'consent of Congress". When the NRLB ruled against a company in California, that company and other advocates filed suit in federal court claiming the the NRLB's decisions were null and void because the person in charge of LB were "unconstitutionally" placed without the consent of congress.
A federal appeals court recently ruled the Presendent acted "unconstitutionally" in the maner in which he sat the board members.
I notice you did not actually answer the question--just criticized and responded with an insult worthy of a sixth grader. This is a common response from right wing extremists who have no substantial defense or response--they just take on a patronizing attitude and throw out a couple of ad hominem attacks. Unfortunately this lends no credibility whatsoever to whatever point you were attempting to make.
Because the poster doesn't do it as well as you do? Is that why you criticized the poster? You can do it but they can't. Keep posting.
I was aware of ACLU suits against NSA.
Feinstein, a fraud, was supportive of NSA spying 24/7 on all Americans.
Dems need to remember this at election time. The betrayal and lies.
Obama at SOTU talked about "changing" the NSA's agenda, or contracting it out, and reducing the staff. They are now e3ven monitoring kids with "Angry Birds" apps. LOL.
Anyone that has been harmed has action against any President's 'unconstitutional" actions.
A case in point is when the President Obama made and filled positions to the National Relations Labor Board without 'consent of Congress". When the NRLB ruled against a company in California, that company and other advocates filed suit in federal court claiming the the NRLB's decisions were null and void because the person in charge of LB were "unconstitutionally" placed without the consent of congress.
A federal appeals court recently ruled the Presendent acted "unconstitutionally" in the maner in which he sat the board members.
This case will be heard by the SC.
Or the US Congress commences impeachment proceedings, which i think they should be doing.
No matter which political party a president is a member of, we all need to hold them accountable, because all of this snowballs and one day we will have a tyrant who was elected, either by hook or by crook, and that person will use all the previous abuses to legitimize rolling right over the people.
It looks like Rand Paul hitched a ride on a bi-partisan lawsuit composed by conservative activist Bruce Fein, a very respected attorney. Paul then took over, dropping Fein, kicking of the Dem plaintiffs, and attaching failed Virginia pol Ken Cuchinelli to the suit, in place of Fein. Is Paul grooming Cuchinelli for running mate??? As a Dem, I sure hope so!
What the hell is wrong with Paul? First he plagiarizes other peoples speeches. Now he steals their legal work.
Fein is spitting nails over this, and who can blame him? What a no-class publicity stunt THIS is.
Fearless prediction: if it's Paul/Cuchinelli in 2016, Clinton/Castro will win by an historic margin.
Yeah this sort of thing is pretty bad. Feins pretty annoyed. And using some terms that indicate that Rand Paul may have made a serious mistake.
Like this from his spokesman:
“I am aghast and shocked by Ken Cuccinelli’s behavior and his absolute knowledge that this entire complaint was the work product, intellectual property and legal genius of Bruce Fein,†Mattie Fein, his ex-wife and spokeswoman
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Funny. He had no problem telling us in a nutshell in the State of the Union address that it was his way or the highway.
actually what he said is where Congress would not act, and he could, he could. But i guess you see that as my way or the highway instead of recognition of a gridlocked legislature which was the least productive in the last 100 years.
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He didn't have to push for its reauthorization and sign it.
What does that have to do with anything ? The Patriot act reauthorization(vote not signing) happened in May of 2011. Republicans controlled the House, they have had no problem voting against the President before, what changed ?
Could it be that your Republican party actually wants the Patriot act to exist ?
here is the vote break down for reauthorization
House
Yes: 54 Democrats, 196 Republicans
No 122 Democrats, 31 Republicans
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Obama/Holder expanded the NSA to conduct domestic surveillance.
From Wiki....
Your link says nothing about an expansion
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Don't be so certain!
obviously I dont know what Rand Paul would have did, but since the law was reauthorized in 2005 as well, i can say republicans as a whole were not outraged.
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Bush was sued over his policy of indefinite detention. Rightly so at that. There is no other option when those who swear to uphold the Constitution refuse to.
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How can you Liberals honestly be for Government domestic spying programs where the government spies on it's own citizens without any suspicion, probable cause, and/or warrants? Does it even matter which presidents fault it is or why this law suit is taking place? Why is the focus on who's fault it is instead of supporting the fact that someone for what ever reason is doing something about this? The Patriot Act was wrong and so is NSA spying, and I do not care who supported it or if someone is only fighting to fix it for personal gain or not. I only care that it's being fixed.
No, the answer is that there are 2 separate argument going on here.
1. right vs Wrong
2. Constitutional vs unconstitutional
It is indeed wrong to spy on your own citizens and each and every Democrat will agree with you on that. However legality under the Constitution is where everyday Republicans and Democrats split.
it seems that Some people like the above can not distinguish between the 2. Just because you disagree with something does not make it unconstitutional.
So a person like myself can be both against the program and at the same time realize it is legal.
People on this site have gotten to the point where they think everything is black and white, the above post prove it as do the other threads like the " We have job growth, why do people still need unemployment" type forums.
No, the answer is that there are 2 separate argument going on here.
1. right vs Wrong
2. Constitutional vs unconstitutional
It is indeed wrong to spy on your own citizens and each and every Democrat will agree with you on that.
No they won't.
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However legality under the Constitution is where everyday Republicans and Democrats split.
it seems that Some people like the above can not distinguish between the 2. Just because you disagree with something does not make it unconstitutional.
So a person like myself can be both against the program and at the same time realize it is legal.
People on this site have gotten to the point where they think everything is black and white, the above post prove it as do the other threads like the " We have job growth, why do people still need unemployment" type forums.
Spying on American citizens without probable cause is unconstitutional.
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