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Old 02-20-2014, 03:40 AM
 
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No obviously not in that sense.

However when Gay Activsts do things such as destroying a business because the Christian owners would not violate their faith and bake a cake for a lesbian wedding. Or when gay activsts took kids to a gay wedding in California and part of a '' field trip ''. Or when they sued a church for not performing a gay ceremony. Or when they want someone fired for disagreeing with homosexual lifestyle.

That is crossing the line. That is pushing your lifestyle onto others against their will.
In my opinion, if you have to lie and misrepresent like that ^^^ to support your views, your views are not worth having.

 
Old 02-20-2014, 03:42 AM
 
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In my opinion, if you have to lie and misrepresent like that ^^^ to support your views, your views are not worth having.
he didnt lie.
 
Old 02-20-2014, 03:45 AM
 
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he didnt lie.
Yes, he did.
 
Old 02-20-2014, 04:21 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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You're welcome to your opinion, however misguided it is. Nevertheless, our government has no business preventing what some people consider sins.
Like murder maybe? Some people consider that a right ("honor killings"). How about theft? Some people feel they have a right to the property of others. That is sin, and our government punishes that too.

For most of our history, and until only recently, we have had laws against things like polygamy, same sex "marriage" and also things like marrying a brother, sister or first cousin. How many of these laws are going to be broken down by raving mobs of idiots demanding their "rights?"

Lastly, it isn't my opinion. It's God's. Is God misguided? Would you like to tell Him that? So, you will say, "I don't believe in God." That doesn't mean He doesn't exist, and you won't answer to Him one day. Then, what will you say? "I don't believe in you?"
 
Old 02-20-2014, 05:13 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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And my god says that as long as you are good to other people, and treat them as you want to be treated, then all's good.

You don't get to force others to live by your religious beliefs.
Well, unfortunately, you don't get to make up your own rules according to your beliefs.

You're making up a god for yourself. If we all made up our own rules according to "our own god," what kind of society would we have?

Further, if you are trying to make a reference to what the Bible says is the Greatest Commandment, it is this: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself." Do you see that the first Commandment is to Love God? That isn't some god you invented. It is Almighty God. Further, to "love your neighbor as yourself," you have to first have love for God, because loving your neighbor is an outgrowth of a love for God.

How is it that you accept a part of scripture that tells you to love your neighbor as yourself, but you do not accept the scripture that tells you to love God, or that homosexuality is sin?

God does not say, "all's good" if we are good to other people. We cannot be "good enough" to please God. And we must love God first.

Same sex marriage is sin, because God says homosexuality is sin, and God made marriage for a man and a woman, not two men or two women. You don't get to make up your own morality.
 
Old 02-20-2014, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Well, unfortunately, you don't get to make up your own rules according to your beliefs.

You're making up a god for yourself. If we all made up our own rules according to "our own god," what kind of society would we have?

Further, if you are trying to make a reference to what the Bible says is the Greatest Commandment, it is this: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself." Do you see that the first Commandment is to Love God? That isn't some god you invented. It is Almighty God. Further, to "love your neighbor as yourself," you have to first have love for God, because loving your neighbor is an outgrowth of a love for God.

How is it that you accept a part of scripture that tells you to love your neighbor as yourself, but you do not accept the scripture that tells you to love God, or that homosexuality is sin?

God does not say, "all's good" if we are good to other people. We cannot be "good enough" to please God. And we must love God first.

Same sex marriage is sin, because God says homosexuality is sin, and God made marriage for a man and a woman, not two men or two women. You don't get to make up your own morality.
So you're saying you are strictly adherent, or are you a cherry-picker? Need I go on?
 
Old 02-20-2014, 05:49 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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"We as a society cannot be civilized with everyone determining their "own morality"

That is absolutely correct. That is why in our society we have a Superior guide...The US Constituton.

Supreme above all other laws.

Anyone who cannot understand that most basic concept of our civilized society has a serious mental problem.
There is a higher law than the Constitution, and that is God's law. The Declaration of Independence establishes that we have certain unalienable rights, and all men are created equal (all men are endowed with those unalienable rights by their Creator — this is an acknowledgement of God). It further establishes that governments are instituted among men to secure those rights. The Constitution establishes that government and defines its structure and powers.

The Constitution has nothing to say about morality. Our moral code comes from scripture, whether you like it or not.

Government had a reason for sanctioning marriage between a man and a woman as a stabilizing institution for the good of society, and as the best environment for raising children, in order that they grow up to be responsible and upstanding members of society. The breaking down of this marital institution will have nothing but a negative effect on society. Therefor, same-sex "marriage" should not be sanctioned by government. It is also against God's law, the higher law, by which we all must answer to.

You can perform all the exegetical gymnastics you want on the meaning of our Constitution and our enumerated rights, but the meaning and intent of the founders has been made perfectly clear. What you believe it says matters not one whit.
 
Old 02-20-2014, 06:01 AM
 
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You're making up a god for yourself.
So are you.

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Our moral code comes from scripture, whether you like it or not.
Thankfully, it doesn't. Or we'd still have slavery, women would be treated like chattel, women would be stoned to death if they weren't virgins on their wedding night, young girls could be kidnapped and raped after their families were slaughtered, young girls who were raped could be forced to marry their rapists, it wou;d be okay for a man to marry his half sister and keep a bunch of women as concubines/slaves for his sexual pleasure. etc etc etc

It doesn't sound like you have read much of the Bible.
 
Old 02-20-2014, 06:04 AM
 
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nononsenseguy tells it like it is I like that.
 
Old 02-20-2014, 06:10 AM
 
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nononsenseguy tells it like it is I like that.
On what planet?
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