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Old 02-13-2014, 06:40 AM
 
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So the total effect of ACA so far is

5 million lose insurance
6.3 million join medicaid
72% of the 3.3 million are being subsidized which is 2.376 million individuals

Total joined not subisidized.. Less than 1 million
Total joined subsidized in one manner or another 8.676 million.

Yeah, nothing can go wrong with these numbers.. haha

Total effect on the national debt, is supposed to be a surplus of $1T, while premiums fall an average of $2500 per family. BULL ****
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Old 02-13-2014, 06:45 AM
 
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No wonder people have such hard time following numbers...if you are unable to follow 19 posts....here, I'll break it down kindergarten easy for you.

#1 it was stated that:

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Down 6 million
up 3.3 million, with most of them on medicaid..

Only an idiot would call that a success.
#2 you said:

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Way to go...lets all jump back to 2007 for debate info.
#3 I stated (prove #1 above wrong):
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Then prove those numbers wrong, you have not done that, now have you....you want us to take your word...lol...

ETA....

Here are numbers from May 2013.....

Where are we wrong?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...Coverage_2.pdf
Are you able to follow which number now?

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it would be nice to be on the same page as you to understand what you are claiming[or meaning...or saying].

What numbers would you like me to consider?
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Old 02-13-2014, 06:47 AM
 
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No wonder people have such hard time following numbers...if you are unable to follow 19 posts....here, I'll break it down kindergarten easy for you.

#1 it was stated that:

#2 you said:

#3 I stated (prove #1 above wrong):

Are you able to follow which number now?
I posted the numbers right above your posting, straight from the HHS report..
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Old 02-13-2014, 06:56 AM
 
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Didn't the Adminstration claim there were 14 or so million Americans without Healthcare insurance? What does 45 million mean? You're not confusing 47 million with 47% are you?
You've got your percentages and millions crosswired.

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/relea.../cb13-165.html
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Old 02-13-2014, 06:59 AM
 
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It seems so. The numbers are adding up..

Obamacare enrollment is up again | MSNBC
Did you expect enrollment to go down ? That's like applauding the number of dead people going up, not down.

CBO has already revised the estimated enrollment by 4/1 Down by 15%, from 7 million to 6 million.

Sebelius doesn't know how many Enrolled have paid premiums, nor how many previously had insurance that was cancelled by Ocare mandates.

The young/old ratio is still bad.

I give you and other Ocare lovers credit for putting Churchill's quote about 'success' into action --- "Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm."
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Old 02-13-2014, 06:59 AM
 
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It seems so. The numbers are adding up..

Obamacare enrollment is up again | MSNBC

And yet Obamacare cannot tell us:

How many of these "enrolled" have even made a payment yet.

The demographics of these "enrollees", you know, things like age group and general health. How many have their payments made by the government itself and where these numbers are actually coming from.

Also, how many of these "enrollees" did enroll to avoid being punished by their loving and caring government.

If I were you Bob, I would think twice (at least) about celebrating this fraud.
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Old 02-13-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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The numbers didn't come from MSNBC.
No, they came from even bigger liars, the Obama admin.

The same people who are claiming 6 million new people on Medicaid after they've been called out on that lie.

Many of the new "enrollees" haven't even paid.

But if the lies make you feel warm and fuzzy, please carry on.
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Old 02-13-2014, 07:03 AM
 
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None of the 3.3 million are in Medicaid... I suppose some will be kicking and screaming all the way into seeing their HC provider.. Oh well.
Proof of your claim? Even the administration admits a vast increase in Medicare.

Don't forget, this administration will claim as a victory anything that they can lie about to fool the citizens.
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Old 02-13-2014, 07:04 AM
 
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Apparently January enrollments are down. I personally don't know too many people who have purchases insurance. It doesn't make much sense. If you couldn't afford insurance before, how does this change anything? Subsidies are nice, but they come at tax time. Many live paycheck to paycheck and that doesn't help them. The first year without insurance is a $90 fee as opposed to thousands din premiums. It's sort of a no-brainer that people aren't rushing to sign up.

Also, the expansion of Medicare/Medicaid (I forget which, I get them mixed up) hasn't been fully implemented yet. In Michigan it won't hapoen til April or May.
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Old 02-13-2014, 07:05 AM
 
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Proof of your claim? Even the administration admits a vast increase in Medicare.

Don't forget, this administration will claim as a victory anything that they can lie about to fool the citizens.
he is correct, the 3.3 million arent the ones on medicaid per the HHS report. Its actually 6.3M new enrollees on medicaid, in addition to the 3.3 million being discussed.

That being said, a ton of the 3.3 million are indeed subsidized..
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