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Old 02-15-2014, 08:03 AM
 
Location: The High Plains
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The success exemplified by Western European social-market capitalism(Austria, Norway, Germany)...or to the right-wing...overt euro-communism in terms of living standard, income inequality, wages, healthcare standards, technological innovation, and general standard of life ...is about as effective as a rebuttal as needed for this short-sighted, straw-turd, of an article.

This is tantamount to those that claim that progressivism, as a whole, is a flawed philisophy based on the USSR.

Pass.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:36 AM
 
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The success exemplified by Western European social-market capitalism(Austria, Norway, Germany)...or to the right-wing...overt euro-communism in terms of living standard, income inequality, wages, healthcare standards, technological innovation, and general standard of life ...is about as effective as a rebuttal as needed for this short-sighted, straw-turd, of an article.

This is tantamount to those that claim that progressivism, as a whole, is a flawed philisophy based on the USSR.

Pass.
Absolutely. fatally flawed.

It is utterly impossible for progressivism to be sustained. Like the former USSR, when nobody is incentivized to produce wealth, eventually, all but the elites starve and suffer greatly. Progressivism, by nature, is designed to remove the risk of being unproductive by confiscating from those that still are. This causes an incentive to NOT work any longer, and the more people stop working and producing, the larger the burden and confiscation from those that do, steepening the collapse curve.

As the article points out, it is more about changing the culture -to one of entitlement and governments that engage in "end run" moves meant to shore up appearances for expediency's sake - that result in eventual collapse as they consume all resources in an attempt maintain the appearance they want.

Perhaps you should read Atlas Shrugged for a description of the "progressive" world - one where NOTHING WORKS.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:37 AM
 
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The right wing did wonders for Germany in the 30s and 40s.
Sorry, that was LEFT WING. They were the precise model of today's progressives. The difference between then and now was very small... they blamed a race for their failures, today's progressives blame the producers for their failures.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:48 AM
 
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Extreme, rigid conservativism, nationalism, white supremacy is a global right position. Like the Klan, and Islamic extremism. Things exist outside your narrow left right American view. The far right imposes a conservative, historical structure on society, like white supremacy and Islamic caliphate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics
Please do not quote the fiction in wikipedia as evidence.

The left is authoritarian, believing in all empowered government. Americanism is unique, in that it rejects the idea that government can or should have much authority AT ALL.

The Klan is irrelevant to all of this.

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Old 02-15-2014, 08:48 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Not you, you have no point. When in a debate, one is reduced to having no other tool than to lie about your opponent, you haven't just lost, you've embraced defeat.

It's like when a manager has allowed his store to become filthy, the employees don't work, no sales occur, and does absolutely nothing to rectify the situation, and when called to account for it, responds "the company president is a jerk".

Like that's a defense? Or a means to fix the original problem?
But the OP never made a point himself, he didnt even realize what socialism is.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Extreme, rigid conservativism, nationalism, white supremacy is a global right position. Like the Klan, and Islamic extremism. Things exist outside your narrow left right American view. The far right imposes a conservative, historical structure on society, like white supremacy and Islamic caliphate. They support a social hierarchy and social inequality, like saying Jews, blacks, or non-Muslims are second class humans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics
What? Did you just complete a week on WW2 in your state sponsored 9th grade History class?

From the Oxford political dictionary:
In Germany the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) rose to power under its leader Adolf Hitler (1889-1945) (who was appointed Chancellor in 1933) and sought to effect a complete transformation of state and society, creating in effect a ruthless dictatorship and single-party monopoly of power which has come to be seen as a form of totalitarianism. Ideologically National Socialism combined an extreme form of nationalism (including strongly racist and anti-Semitic beliefs in the superiority of the Germanic-Aryan community over all other peoples and cultures) and a distinctive concept of state-led socialism which was far removed from both revolutionary Marxism and social democracy. The overriding aim was to inaugurate a new epoch of history embodied in a Third Reich or empire in which a territorially enlarged German nation would become the dominant force in world politics. A strongly militaristic focus drew National Socialist Germany into an acceptance of war as a necessary means of achieving national ambitions and in particular the goal of greater Lebensraum (or ‘living-space’ for the German Volk). Only with the military defeat of Germany 1945 and the deliberate policies of de-Nazification which were subsequently implemented by the occupying powers was the National Socialist movement finally eradicated. See also fascism; nationalism.

Read more: National Socialism: Definition from Answers.com
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:51 AM
 
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When people try and compare anything with what the Nazi's did clearly they are flailing about for a valid point.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:52 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Please do not quote the fiction in wikipedia as evidence.

The left is authoritarian, believing in all empowered government. Americanism is unique, in that it rejects the idea that government can or should have much authority AT ALL.

The Klan is irrelevant to all of this.
Wikipedia is a encyclopedia with footnotes that link to legitimate sources...most of the time. By dismissing the entire post without even attempting to read it is intellectually dishonest. You are basically trying to side step an entire argument by not acknowledging a source that would refute your argument.


The Left also does not believe in an all powerful government, you are again being dishonest just to make your argument.

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Old 02-15-2014, 08:57 AM
 
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You are equating left-right in US politics to left-right in global politics. I don't know if this is an intentional bias or a reflection of your intellectual abilities, but they aren't perfectly equatable. Authoritarianism isn't exclusive to left or right.
You were equating left-right US politics to global politics - pretending that they're the same.

Authoritarianism is wholly and solely a feature of the US political left.
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Old 02-15-2014, 09:01 AM
 
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Wikipedia is a encyclopedia with footnotes that link to legitimate sources...most of the time. By dismissing the entire post without even attempting to read it is intellectually dishonest. You are basically trying to side step an entire argument by not acknowledging a source that would refute your argument.
Wikipedia is the definitive manifestation of pop culture ignorance.


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The Left also does not believe in an all powerful government, you are again being dishonest just to make your argument.
yes, it does believe in all powerful governments.

In fact, the foundation of leftist dogma is a government without boundaries which can fundamentally transform a society in every way, from individual behavior to economic manipulation.
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