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Headline fraud. There are no "gay bans" in place nor being proposed. Nobody is trying to bring back anti-sodomy laws or to put gays in jail. In fact it is now far more likely to be jailed, ostracized, fired, generally have your life made miserable for being homophobic than for being gay.
The debate over 'gay marriage' has nothing to do with banning anything. No one is proposing banning any behavior. It comes down to a debate over the definition of a word.
Exactly.
It's like writing a Welfare law to provide assistance to people of lower income in need, and forgetting to define what low income means, and then everyone starts claiming they earn less income then the rich and they have needs and demand they get free welfare money too.
There are states where a 16 year old girl can marry, but a 16 year old boy cannot, that's not equality. So obviously we need an activist judge to tell the entire nation what they think the age of marriage should be.
Some states ban first cousins from marrying each other, once again, not equal, not fair in the eyes of a few, so we need that judge to tell us who can marry whom.
If gays pushed for domestic partnerships they'd have them by now. They want to redefine the purpose and function of marriage, and change it into nothing more then people desiring cohabitation with their partner, taxes and public declarations of feelings.
We can all see that people's opinions are changing, and we do not need the courts forcing this fundamental change down our throats. If gay marriage will end up being the future, then let society choose to change the definition of marriage in a democratic way as a community, as a society. If this decision is forced on people against their will, by the courts, then there will always be animosity.
It's like writing a Welfare law to provide assistance to people of lower income in need, and forgetting to define what low income means, and then everyone starts claiming they earn less income then the rich and they have needs and demand they get free welfare money too.
There are states where a 16 year old girl can marry, but a 16 year old boy cannot, that's not equality. So obviously we need an activist judge to tell the entire nation what they think the age of marriage should be.
Some states ban first cousins from marrying each other, once again, not equal, not fair in the eyes of a few, so we need that judge to tell us who can marry whom.
If gays pushed for domestic partnerships they'd have them by now. They want to redefine the purpose and function of marriage, and change it into nothing more then people desiring cohabitation with their partner, taxes and public declarations of feelings.
We can all see that people's opinions are changing, and we do not need the courts forcing this fundamental change down our throats. If gay marriage will end up being the future, then let society choose to change the definition of marriage in a democratic way as a community, as a society. If this decision is forced on people against their will, by the courts, then there will always be animosity.
B.S. We tried to get civil unions or domestic partnerships, and just about every state decided to deny those too. Now when we are winning people start screaming "why don't you want civil unions?"
That time has passed. Marriage equality is on it's way, and you can do nothing to stop it.
Domestic partnerships do not afford those 1049 rights, benefits and protections and in all states with bans on same sex marriage, they also ban domestic partnerships for gays, but not for straights. Domestic partnerships are little more than watered down marriage with few protections.
B.S. We tried to get civil unions or domestic partnerships, and just about every state decided to deny those too. Now when we are winning people start screaming "why don't you want civil unions?"
That time has passed. Marriage equality is on it's way, and you can do nothing to stop it.
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Exactly.
It's like writing a Welfare law to provide assistance to people of lower income in need, and forgetting to define what low income means, and then everyone starts claiming they earn less income then the rich and they have needs and demand they get free welfare money too.
There are states where a 16 year old girl can marry, but a 16 year old boy cannot, that's not equality. So obviously we need an activist judge to tell the entire nation what they think the age of marriage should be.
Some states ban first cousins from marrying each other, once again, not equal, not fair in the eyes of a few, so we need that judge to tell us who can marry whom.
If gays pushed for domestic partnerships they'd have them by now. They want to redefine the purpose and function of marriage, and change it into nothing more then people desiring cohabitation with their partner, taxes and public declarations of feelings.
We can all see that people's opinions are changing, and we do not need the courts forcing this fundamental change down our throats. If gay marriage will end up being the future, then let society choose to change the definition of marriage in a democratic way as a community, as a society. If this decision is forced on people against their will, by the courts, then there will always be animosity.
Exactly. Stop saying we should have gone for civil unions as they were denied. Those that don't "approve of homosexual lifestyles" will always deny us any kind of union, be that civil, domestic partnership or marriage. Just admit it. We don't always have to agree on everything, but we can't deny people equal rights under the law in America. Gay marriage does nothing to your marriage and affects you in no way. It's happening and all this will soon be forgotten and your types will move on to denying rights to another group of tax paying American citizens because it's hard to believe that not everyone abides by what you think is right.
It's like writing a Welfare law to provide assistance to people of lower income in need, and forgetting to define what low income means, and then everyone starts claiming they earn less income then the rich and they have needs and demand they get free welfare money too.
There are states where a 16 year old girl can marry, but a 16 year old boy cannot, that's not equality. So obviously we need an activist judge to tell the entire nation what they think the age of marriage should be.
Some states ban first cousins from marrying each other, once again, not equal, not fair in the eyes of a few, so we need that judge to tell us who can marry whom.
If gays pushed for domestic partnerships they'd have them by now. They want to redefine the purpose and function of marriage, and change it into nothing more then people desiring cohabitation with their partner, taxes and public declarations of feelings.
We can all see that people's opinions are changing, and we do not need the courts forcing this fundamental change down our throats. If gay marriage will end up being the future, then let society choose to change the definition of marriage in a democratic way as a community, as a society. If this decision is forced on people against their will, by the courts, then there will always be animosity.
Do your research before spouting lies. Domestic partnerships and civil unions have been banned along with gay marriage in the states that ban same sex marriage. Who cares what the bigots think, they are not the only people in the US and we gay people are tax paying citizens being denied the same basic marriage rights because some people have a problem. It was the same exact situation with interracial marriage and the Federal government forced the remaining states, like it or not, into the 20th century and yes there was and still in animosity in many southern states over the Loving verses Virgininia decision. It is not democratic for the majority to rule against the minority and when it is the church, it is religious tyranny and we cannot and will not let that happen. Three times in a row you have been schooled, now try again and fail.
B.S. We tried to get civil unions or domestic partnerships, and just about every state decided to deny those too. Now when we are winning people start screaming "why don't you want civil unions?"
That time has passed. Marriage equality is on it's way, and you can do nothing to stop it.
Resorting to tyranny is not winning. Many people have no problem with domestic partnerships, and if you made your case in a logical, common sensed manner, you would have them. But using the courts to ram this down people's throats will only harden people against you, including people who were previously leaning in your direction or sitting on the fence.
Resorting to tyranny is not winning. Many people have no problem with domestic partnerships, and if you made your case in a logical, common sensed manner, you would have them. But using the courts to ram this down people's throats will only harden people against you, including people who were previously leaning in your direction or sitting on the fence.
The world is upside down!
You don't understand that YOUR side is the tyrannical side! YOUR side is the anti-liberty side on this issue. It is YOU who are fighting against equal rights for tax paying citizens! Do not EVER kid yourself into thinking you guys are anything less than tyrants, as it is YOU who is casually making decisions and fighting against something in a way that negatively affects and harms gay families EVERY DAY.
And by the way, fearing "hardening opinion against gay rights" is not something people worry about, because yours is a minority opinion, rapidly diminishing with each old person that slips into senility or the next world. Demographics are not on your side on this issue. Under 35s simply do not have the hang up on this issue that you and the older folks do.
Do your research before spouting lies. Domestic partnerships and civil unions have been banned along with gay marriage in the states that ban same sex marriage. Who cares what the bigots think, they are not the only people in the US and we gay people are tax paying citizens being denied the same basic marriage rights because some people have a problem. It was the same exact situation with interracial marriage and the Federal government forced the remaining states, like it or not, into the 20th century and yes there was and still in animosity in many southern states over the Loving verses Virgininia decision. It is not democratic for the majority to rule against the minority and when it is the church, it is religious tyranny and we cannot and will not let that happen. Three times in a row you have been schooled, now try again and fail.
So instead of trying to push domestic partnerships, something many more people approve of, you choose to go the most confrontational route and **** off as many people as possible?
This is not about racism. If people define marriage as the union of a man and a woman who will create the children to be raised as the next generation of citizens, then skin, eye or hair color are irrelevant.
So instead of trying to push domestic partnerships, something many more people approve of, you choose to go the most confrontational route and **** off as many people as possible?
This is not about racism. If people define marriage as the union of a man and a woman who will create the children to be raised as the next generation of citizens, then skin, eye or hair color are irrelevant.
Equality under the law > your "feeeeeeeeeelings" and what you're personally "comfortable with."
"Separate is inherently unequal," even if the majority of the time was "more comfortable" with that regime!
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