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Many years ago, I assembled my first network. It cost me a LOT of money and did nothing.
Just HAVING those things did not create the value of the internet today.
What created that value is what entrepreneurs did with it.
Which was and remains my point.
That's your point and you're entitled to it. To me and most people its utterly absurd, though.
Entrepreneurs never spend resources building that network , they never pushed for building it.
Anybody can sell porn over the network, but to create that network, that's something special. The ability for the scientists around the globe to compare results of their research in real time and to collaborate on the same projects - priceless.
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I'm not advocating the denial of access to others, I'm just making sure I take care of me and my own first. Let them join the fray and gather their own from what is available. I'm not willing to provide for them in a disproportionate way out of my slice of the pie.
Who says its your slice of a pie? If you view life as live or die game, you can't just limit the rules of the survival game to the ones that benefit you personally. Everything goes, sorry.
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They're free to obtain what they can by best utilization of their own skillset. Who's denying freedom of movement? Who's denying occupation of legally-available space? Please clarify. BTW, were you one of the Occupy Wall St crowd?
You don't obtain a squat by utilization of your own skillset anymore unless you are able to sell those skillsets to the ones who's buying. And that necessity to sell your butt introduces great deal of subservience and uncertainty. You can move (no stopping for extended time) along narrow stretch of public roads, you can park in private lots (for as long as it's not "loitering"), but you have no right whatsoever to occupy space in this country (even so called "public" lands) unless you own it and pay taxes or conduct some sort of business there. Being a bum is technically illegal everywhere you go. You got to pay to occupy space, you have no intrinsic right for space, nor right for life as those savages had in the past.
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Not 1 in 100,000 can do my job. Extensive formal education and 30+ years of experience counts for something. I'm solicited by other companies on a regular basis.
Feeling narcissistic today? Millions of people, as the very least, can do your job with minimal or no additional training. The fact that HR contact you doesn't mean that other can't do your job, it's just that corporate bean counters have very peculiar hiring procedures in place to minimize risk to their jobs.
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Skills have everything to do with compensation. Supply and demand. If a grunt is so skilled, why doesn't he rise? Is the half-wit more equipped to rise? as much as I've despised certain managers in my career, people skills are a skill also.
Skills are secondary or tertiary or ..., your place in a pecking order defines your compensation. I wonder why such an educated and experienced guy like yourself couldn't figure this obvious, easily verifiable fact out in 30 years? Narcissism got in your way?
If grunts are so skilled why they are not paid as much as their low skill managers? People skills is just one skill, and "effective" management is rooted mostly in peon' fearing for their jobs anyway, a manager with low people skills manages just fine (or better) for as long as he kisses and/or related to the right arses up the food chain.
Supply and demand of the people willing (and able) to manage for (much) less doesn't impose any downward pressure on management wages. However, supply and demand is invoked each time those down the food chain to be screwed (including those deluded about value of their skills). Wage slaves can be coerced in just about any wage owner caste would choose. Real Economics 101.
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Skills in the labor marketplace are what determines value, value being measured by earned wages.
Narcissistic nonsense. It's virtually impossible to deduct an estimate of each worker' contributions to the final revenue of an organization. But I guess your kind can figure out what chain link is the most responsible for pulling a load? Great chances are that some "low skill" worker is way more crucial for the corporate bottom line than yourself. Wages are absolutely arbitrary and assigned according to the perceived
place of a worker in the pecking order. Even if a bunch of hungry clones of yourself will be begging to let them to do your job (or manage) for 50% of incumbent' salaries, it's not gonna happen not to disturb unwritten rules of hierarchy. Top ranking monkey must get more sprouts than low ranking monkeys, regardless of their skills or contributions.
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In your world, people get compensated for breathing? For mere existence, despite bringing no value to the employer?
With all that education you can't even imagine a possibility of a world where people can exist regardless of their value to employers, barons or chiefs. A free person doesn't give a dime about their value to employers or plantation owners, a slave does care, some even believe that making their slaving arse attractive to employers makes them free.
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I was born and raised in the shadow of a mill where my dad labored for 50+ years. We didn't have two nickels to rub together. My wife arrived in the country with an overnight bag and a few bucks (literally) in her pocket. Within 7 years she was earning over 6 figures. Social mobility is a wonderful thing and this country offers opportunities like nowhere else, but you have to work for it. Not just be a mouth breather.
Ancient Rome provided opportunity for 10-30% of the former slaves to get the slaves of their own. So what? What % of trailer park residents breaks into corporate boardrooms, make a guess? One thing for sure it's not 10% chance for mobility that ancient Rome could provide. One of the reasons your wife made six figure income - because millions of other immigrants couldn't reach those 6 figure stars and kill themselves trying. Availability of those millions to work and serve you for (much) less is far more crucial for you and your wife success than all your efforts and education combined and multiplied 1000 fold.
First, social mobility is a scientific subject you can Google before typing yet another piece of narcissistic nonsense. Social mobility in USA lags that in most of the industrialized countries, not speaking of the beacons of opportunity like China or Russia where entire super-rich class was made from scratch. Second, I don't know about you, but standing neck deep in crap because there is 0.001% chance to win a fight for a place next to a window somehow doesn't inspire me. Social issues cannot be resolve by lower classes frantically trying to escape their class through their "efforts", it's not gonna happen. However, cultivating self-blame and rat race are very effective and cheap tools of the social control. Some people are so deluded they believe that standing neck deep in crap and fighting for a place next to a window makes them the freest bunch in history.
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It means nothing to anyone else. What matters is what matters to your life - which is what gets done.
Only because you lack education you don't know that long before the internet was open to commercial traffic and was only interconnecting universities and research facilities around the globe, it was already bringing value as it it allowed the scientists around the globe to compare results of their research and collaborate on the same projects.
The internet single handedly pushed the science around the globe forward, more than any other technological advancement of XX century. Isn't that valuable even if it doesn't come with a price tag? Definitely.
And even if the internet did not do anything prior to being commercialized some things are simply difficult to assign a value to. Landing on the moon, exploration of space. They don't get much done yet they are very important since they push the science forward, allowing other scientist to invent new technologies.
I am really sorry you didn't get to go to college but its not a reason to take it out on anybody else.
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Social issues cannot be resolved by lower classes frantically trying to escape their class through their "efforts", it's not gonna happen. However, cultivating self-blame and rat race are very effective and cheap tools of the social control. Some people are so deluded they believe that standing neck deep in crap and fighting for a place next to a window makes them the freest bunch in history.
Stunningly accurate description of American society. Excellent.
Did you then consider developing more marketable skills? Did you not learn anything during the search process?
No, he took out $80,000 in Student Loans to attend the Evelyn Wood Speed Reading Course, the school closed, he got stuck with the loans, and now he's a fry-handler at Jack-in-the-Box and arranges flowers around his pup-tent.
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Originally Posted by freemkt
Your numbers suggest that about half of those minimum wage workers are 25 or older. If you oppose minimum wage or an increase thereof, what do you offer childless adults who have to live on minimum wage? EITC does absolutely nothing for them. Some of them even have four-year degrees; I have worked with them.
I offer them a plane ticket to a foreign State....which is a bargain considering what Darwin would do.
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Oh, and before we get too far...
The study of economics is actually the study of human behavior.
When you argue that I don't understand, and don't accept the proven "scientific theories" of economics, you've already demonstrated you're lacking comprehension.
Economics is the study of what people do.
This CANNOT be defined as rigid theories or rules. What people do is fairly predictable - but the inputs to their decisions are impossibly complex, and thus, CANNOT BE COMPUTED, ergo, macroeconomics is mostly a fallacy.
Well, no, actually there two components, one is science and not predicated on human behavior and the other social science.
There are theories that merge both, for example Price Elasticity. Where you can see that best is oil or gasoline, which is inelastic in the short-term but elastic over the long-term. When the shift actually takes place and is based entirely on human behavior. Myself, I'm not really into the human behavior part, since it is social science and not true science.
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So in other words you have no formal training in economics.
Neither do you, who doesn't even understand Inflation.
In fact, you couldn't even explain why 47% of the population employed full-time is bad or good. It's just something you saw on the internet, but don't understand.
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You can oversimplify any issue but it doesn't make it simpler one bit.
Only because you lack education you don't know that long before the internet was open to commercial traffic and was only interconnecting universities and research facilities around the globe, it was already bringing value as it it allowed the scientists around the globe to compare results of their research and collaborate on the same projects.
The internet single handedly pushed the science around the globe forward, more than any other technological advancement of XX century. Isn't that valuable even if it doesn't come with a price tag? Definitely.
And even if the internet did not do anything prior to being commercialized some things are simply difficult to assign a value to. Landing on the moon, exploration of space. They don't get much done yet they are very important since they push the science forward, allowing other scientist to invent new technologies.
I am really sorry you didn't get to go to college but its not a reason to take it out on anybody else.
I'm truly sorry you consistently refuse to read whta people write, and believe yourself to be so amazingly superior to your peers.
I'm truly sorry you consistently refuse to read whta people write, and believe yourself to be so amazingly superior to your peers.
And I am truly sorry that this is the best response you could come up with. It's not your fault, though. The lack of proper education robbed you of any ability to see the bigger picture or to analyze problems.
As is the case with most self educated people your knowledge is one-dimensional.
If you view life as live or die game, you can't just limit the rules of the survival game to the ones that benefit you personally. Everything goes, sorry.
Incomprehensible. Explain what this is supposed to mean.
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You don't obtain a squat by utilization of your own skillset anymore unless you are able to sell those skillsets to the ones who's buying.
Well, Duhhhh. There's no economic value for "performance artists" who mumble to themselves while sitting in excrement, so, that skillset needs to be of ECONOMIC value.
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And that necessity to sell your butt introduces great deal of subservience and uncertainty.
You ain't seen nothing until you try wilderness survival.
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You can move (no stopping for extended time) along narrow stretch of public roads, you can park in private lots (for as long as it's not "loitering"), but you have no right whatsoever to occupy space in this country (even so called "public" lands) unless you own it and pay taxes or conduct some sort of business there.
That's why taxing property should never happen. Everyone should be able to own their space without paying rent to all consuming monopoly.
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Being a bum is technically illegal everywhere you go. You got to pay to occupy space, you have no intrinsic right for space, nor right for life as those savages had in the past.
Well, that's due to people who think and govern as you want them to. Not seeing the issue. It's a feature of what you want in politics. It seems strange that you would complain about it.
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Feeling narcissistic today? Millions of people, as the very least, can do your job with minimal or no additional training.
In my case, the answer is: No, that's not true at all. My skillsets are RARE indeed.
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The fact that HR contact you doesn't mean that other can't do your job, it's just that corporate bean counters have very peculiar hiring procedures in place to minimize risk to their jobs.
That is what they should do. Anyone who doesn't minimize the risk of hiring someone is being irresponsible.
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Skills are secondary or tertiary or ..., your place in a pecking order defines your compensation. I wonder why such an educated and experienced guy like yourself couldn't figure this obvious, easily verifiable fact out in 30 years? Narcissism got in your way?
You're just wrong.
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If grunts are so skilled why they are not paid as much as their low skill managers? People skills is just one skill, and "effective" management is rooted mostly in peon' fearing for their jobs anyway, a manager with low people skills manages just fine (or better) for as long as he kisses and/or related to the right arses up the food chain.
Obviously, you hang around the wrong people.
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Supply and demand of the people willing (and able) to manage for (much) less doesn't impose any downward pressure on management wages. However, supply and demand is invoked each time those down the food chain to be screwed (including those deluded about value of their skills). Wage slaves can be coerced in just about any wage owner caste would choose. Real Economics 101.
No, that's Socialist Drivel 101.
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Narcissistic nonsense. It's virtually impossible to deduct an estimate of each worker' contributions to the final revenue of an organization. But I guess your kind can figure out what chain link is the most responsible for pulling a load? Great chances are that some "low skill" worker is way more crucial for the corporate bottom line than yourself. Wages are absolutely arbitrary and assigned according to the perceived
place of a worker in the pecking order. Even if a bunch of hungry clones of yourself will be begging to let them to do your job (or manage) for 50% of incumbent' salaries, it's not gonna happen not to disturb unwritten rules of hierarchy. Top ranking monkey must get more sprouts than low ranking monkeys, regardless of their skills or contributions.
Obviously you know nothing about the real world.
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Ancient Rome provided opportunity for 10-30% of the former slaves to get the slaves of their own. So what? What % of trailer park residents breaks into corporate boardrooms, make a guess? One thing for sure it's not 10% chance for mobility that ancient Rome could provide. One of the reasons your wife made six figure income - because millions of other immigrants couldn't reach those 6 figure stars and kill themselves trying. Availability of those millions to work and serve you for (much) less is far more crucial for you and your wife success than all your efforts and education combined and multiplied 1000 fold.
And people don't believe it when I tell them liberals are bitter, angry, hateful types. Just look at this guy's venom spewed out at the world.
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First, social mobility is a scientific subject you can Google before typing yet another piece of narcissistic nonsense. Social mobility in USA lags that in most of the industrialized countries, not speaking of the beacons of opportunity like China or Russia where entire super-rich class was made from scratch. Second, I don't know about you, but standing neck deep in crap because there is 0.001% chance to win a fight for a place next to a window somehow doesn't inspire me. Social issues cannot be resolve by lower classes frantically trying to escape their class through their "efforts", it's not gonna happen. However, cultivating self-blame and rat race are very effective and cheap tools of the social control. Some people are so deluded they believe that standing neck deep in crap and fighting for a place next to a window makes them the freest bunch in history.
Wow, you're chin deep in BS.
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