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^ all you have to do is compare independent Jamaica to the still British Bermuda or the Cayman Islands and it becomes obvious why.
Simply put, independence has been a disaster in virtually every post 1945 case.
Close down the financial services sectors in those islands and we will see how well those territories would be. If certain people in the OECD nations had their way that is exactly what would happen. The financial services sector cannot absorb an society of 2.7 million people they way that it can 50k.
In any case Bermuda has its own problems with an increasing rate of crime and gun violence. Apparently not every one is benefitting from this paradise of which you opine.
Close down the financial services sectors in those islands and we will see how well those territories would be. If certain people in the OECD nations had their way that is exactly what would happen. The financial services sector cannot absorb an society of 2.7 million people they way that it can 50k.
In any case Bermuda has its own problems with an increasing rate of crime and gun violence. Apparently not every one is benefitting from this paradise of which you opine.
In Bermuda and in the Caymans islands ,the natives live in poor conditions, since these 2 places are financial havens , most businesses are owned by Americans ,Europeans or foreign investors, their economy based on finance and tourism is entirely in the hands of Westerners ,so there is no comparisons with Jamaica .
The British Empire did benefit having Jamaica as a colony, BUT its a two way street and Jamaica also benefitted as well. Its funny how everytime someone brings up slavery and how the world 'raped' Africa and its inhabitants of its wealth and freedom, they completely forget that without the world coming to them, every single black nation today would STILL be centuries behind in development. Unlike in many places in Europe and Asia where the people there invented and discovered alot of the technologies and engineering and advanced humankind forward into the modern age, blacks completely skipped all this and had everything given to them on a silver platter.
Without the world coming to Africa, blacks would STILL not be at even the Roman level of development in 2014. Literally everything modern in terms of engineering, technology, medicine etc was given to them and it allowed them to leap frog into the modern age, so as much death and destruction the world has caused on them, they also gained very much from it too. Maybe this was the wrong thing to do. Maybe the world should've left blacks to stay as primitive as they've always been because they sure as heck don't seem very happy now.
And according to here at least a decent portion of Jamaicans actually WANT to be ruled by Britain again:
Colonialism and slavery is never a two-way street , in that case I would say France, Belgium and the Netherland also benefited from Germany occupation.
So slavery was beneficial for Africa too ?
As I said in a previous post Jamaica has screwed up since independence. Maybe Britain should sue the Romans (or Italian Government), for occupying, enslaving and killing us for 500 years.
Just stop moaning and by the way please take back your two thousand hardened criminals.
As I said in a previous post Jamaica has screwed up since independence. Maybe Britain should sue the Romans (or Italian Government), for occupying, enslaving and killing us for 500 years.
Just stop moaning and by the way please take back your two thousand hardened criminals.
Agreed and tho I'm of Irish family and England did a LOT of damage to Ireland almost 200 years back; some of the things they left us HAVE paid off down the road, like speaking English. England does NOT owe Ireland a thing in 2014, even the "return" of Northern Ireland. I'm not so sure that Dublin would even want those provinces back with THEIR problems.
A question for Scobby:
Do you think an immigrant that just moved to the US(or any other former slave owning country) should carry the same responsibility as someone whose ancestors owned slaves?
In Bermuda and in the Caymans islands ,the natives live in poor conditions, ..
That is actually not true, even though the black locals might be marginalized. However their small populations allow people to be more easily absorbed into what is available.
Bermuda does have escalating crime and violence equivalent to what is found in ghettoes in the USA/UK.
Grand Cayman was an almost uninhabited island prior to the late 60s, so has had to import Jamaicans to perform the non office jobs.
And as to standards of governance. The gov'ts of these British territories have had their cast of corrupt types. Indeed Turks & Caicos has had at least TWO heads of state having to flee the law because of their involvement with drug traffickers.
Indeed the UK does NOT run those territories, nor do they provide much budgetary support. On a de facto basis there is Bermuda is as independent as Jamaica, except they are saved the expense of their own currency, and need to fund their representation in international forums, or having to have a diplomatic corps.
The Cayman Islands, and the Turks & Caicos have their own airlines and negotiate their own air agreements.
So those Jamaicans who think that the return of the Union Jack will come with ample largesse (which they didn't get in the colonial era) are dreaming.
Agreed and tho I'm of Irish family and England did a LOT of damage to Ireland almost 200 years back; some of the things they left us HAVE paid off down the road, like speaking English. England does NOT owe Ireland a thing in 2014, even the "return" of Northern Ireland. I'm not so sure that Dublin would even want those provinces back with THEIR problems.
The Caribbean, Ireland and India should ALL sue the British for all damages done to them since 1600.
That way the Irish will support the Caribbean claims for reparations too! After all they too were enslaved! The "eckie beckies" of Barbados are living proof of that, and even to this day are worse off than are most black Bajans.
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