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You're obviously a union member and as such of lower intelligence so I'll explain it to you. If the UAW succeeds in unionizing VW it will be against the majority of the VW workers' wishes. Those that don't join the union of their own free will will be subjected to harassment and pressure from the union to join. That WILL happen. It always does.
For a week perhaps. Long-term, no.
We have some RTW state union shops, and just as in RTW overall, the % in the union at shops with unions are in the 40-50% range. That means at least HALF NEVER join. I appreciate the fact the 40-50% who wish to can join, while the 50-60% who don't are free to make that choice too.
We have some RTW state union shops, and just as in RTW overall, the % in the union at shops with unions are in the 40-50% range. That means at least HALF NEVER join. I appreciate the fact the 40-50% who wish to can join, while the 50-60% who don't are free to make that choice too.
Not quite true; local unions have varying by-laws on how and when you can opt-out and opt-in when it comes to RTW states/shops, so there's not an accurate number portraying the %'s.
The works council boss in Germany is flying over to talk to the workers.
They still want to do something..just without the UAW.
Are you for the workers or for the UAW ?
The German model seems to look like it operates better and truly represents the workers with no politics.
Our unions are all politics now.
The Germany model might be in our best interests in the long run.
It worked in the EU and the German one is the most successful.
Time to put American unions to bed.
People who want the EU model brought to the US should go and live in the EU. What works there most likely will not work here.
The works council boss in Germany is flying over to talk to the workers.
They still want to do something..just without the UAW.
Are you for the workers or for the UAW ?
The German model seems to look like it operates better and truly represents the workers with no politics.
Our unions are all politics now.
The Germany model might be in our best interests in the long run.
It worked in the EU and the German one is the most successful.
Time to put American unions to bed.
Are you really ready for "those labor types" to literally own half of the company?! Labor unions, by way of the German-style method, would own the means to their production.
Unions are mafia............always have been always will............the leaders anyway. They stole their dear working folks pensions to build Las Vegas and cash in even more. For some reason liberals can't accept reality.
Unions are mafia............always have been always will............the leaders anyway. They stole their dear working folks pensions to build Las Vegas and cash in even more. For some reason liberals can't accept reality.
Please explain John L. Lewis to me then...a (republican) labor leader who, at one time, wanted to buy/divert dues to buying shares of companies in which workers were employed at to gain controlling interests in said companies.
Strategically, he understood corporate culture. Can you imagine if all those unions bought and held a majority shareholder stake of the company through stocks? It'd probably make today's republicans shudder in terror!
Example 1:
Many public teacher unions own their own health insurance provider. Through contract agreements, the school (government/tax payers) are forced to only buy from the union owned health insurance provider. This is called a monopoly. This union owned monopoly then charges the school (government/tax payers) 30 to even 40% above fair market value for the insurance provided... This costs some school districts several hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in wasted spending that could have been used to hire new teachers, buy new computers, end pay to play sports, fix a leaky roof, etc... And then the union donates much of this excess to Democrats who scream that schools don't have enough money. Detroit Public Schools spend $16,000 per pupil a year...
Example 2:
The Detroit Public Pension's board of trustees is run by union leaders who make up a majority of the board. They would give out 13th month bonus checks, despite that not being calculated in to the original math. They hit a snag...and were already bailed out with $1.4 Billion in the past and the union responded by continuing the bonuses. They also had a supplemental investment plan that guaranteed investors a minimum of a 7.9% return. This program also gave out bonus checks that were needed to off set bad years. The union refused to fix the math and now want a second bailout while maintaining control of its operations.
Example 3:
Public voting, no secret ballots. The only reason to do this is to intimidate its own members. Attacking those who think different like what happened in Lansing. Etc...
Unions were once vital. They are killing themselves with corruption and by aligning solely with one party, which alienates themselves with roughly half of the voters.
Excellent.
Not only have you highlighted the problems with unions, you've also touched base on problems that are common to many oligarchies.
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This is disgusting michigan, do you realize that every paid break, every lunch hour and every eight-hour day was paid with blood of XIX century factory workers:
This is disgusting....do you realized you just employed a fallacy?
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Gambler’s
This fallacy occurs when the gambler falsely assumes that the history of outcomes will affect future outcomes.
But you do have contempt for companies/businesses. Your comments reveal that you believe businesses will only treat their employees with fairness, benefits, pensions, etc. if they are compelled to by an outside force. And your choice of outside force is obviously unions. Many companies, especially small ones value their employees and offer them the best benefits they can afford. People don't go into business for themselves only to give everything away to their employees, or worse yet, a middleman who has no skin in the game. Unions get credit for opening the eyes of the public and government to some terrible working conditions, especially child labor. But that was a long time ago and laws are now in place to prevent unsafe, abhorrent working conditions. Unions demand salaries, pensions & other perks that are so out of line with what businesses & government can afford, and what people in like-positions who are not union earn, that it harms everyone in the long run & contributes greatly to the fleeing of businesses from the U.S. as we are experiencing now.
I would suggest you go live in Germany since you adore their union-type business platforms, but I believe you already do... or did. The U.S. is not aspiring to be like Germany, so get over it. The taxpayers of this country are fed-up with being squeezed for every inequity the left can think up. And in case you haven't heard... bullying is so politically incorrect. The left says so.
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That may be so but I don`t have contempt for working people.
This is not a question folks about the pros and cons of unions. It is a question of what free elections mean, and of whether a public official crossed lines, when he spilled out lies..which were repudiated, btw, by VW.
For some rason Republican can't accept the reality of American job market where hundred thousands of employees enjoy working in union environments and associated benefits unions fight four every time a labor contract expires. Why?
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Unions are mafia............always have been always will............the leaders anyway. They stole their dear working folks pensions to build Las Vegas and cash in even more. For some reason liberals can't accept reality.
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