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Old 02-16-2014, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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They don't want reform because they LOVE the cheap labor illegals provide, they are not fooling MOST people. ALWAYS blame the Democrats when they should be blaming the businesses that hire them...
Apparently you are not aware that it has only been Democrats calling for the amnesty of criminals. Just like they did in 1986, when they deliberately lied to the American people when they reneged on their promise to increase immigration enforcement, after they gave amnesty to millions of criminals.

The one constant in all this is the entire Democratic Party and their supporters, are nothing more than dishonorable habitual liars and can never be trusted. Ever!
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:00 PM
 
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Looks like just another excuse to delay a critical problem, letting immigration reform wait another year is absurd. The senate proposal had a path to citizenship in 13 years, what is the republican proposal, never?

The BS meter is pretty much off the scale with the "we can't trust enforcement", if that's the case do they want until 2016, 2020 or just wait for the next time they win a presidential election.



Immigration activists threaten GOP political payback
Critical problem? The problem is lack of enforcement!

It's stupid to be bringing in all these millions illegals when millions of Americans don't have jobs.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Critical problem? The problem is lack of enforcement!

It's stupid to be bringing in all these millions illegals when millions of Americans don't have jobs.
Immigrants are not displacing anyone, no one wants the jobs they are taking.

Enforcement is not working, not for lack of effort.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:07 PM
 
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I wouldn't trust him either... What's that Obama? You want to delay border security? Wow, liberals are stupid if they think Obama will actually prevent illegal immigration before he grants them citizenship...
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Exactly! What is being proposed is amnesty. What is being reformed? Nothing! Should we repeat Reagan's amnesty of 1986 where it was promised that the borders would be secured and they weren't? Fool me once..... This time around there are quadruple the number of illegals here and we have 23 million Americans out of work. Any American who supports this I question their loyalty to our country.
It's a fact that 40% of all illegals are people who were granted visas and didn't leave when the time was up.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/stat...illegal-resid/

Carter, who did not respond to our requests for elaboration, was referring to a well-known facet of illegal immigration. A July 2013 General Accountability Office report said: "Each year, millions of visitors come to the United States legally on a temporary basis either with or without a visa. Overstays are individuals who were admitted legally on a temporary basis but then overstayed their authorized periods of admission."

The borders are more secure under president Obama than they have been since the Nixon era.

– Border crossings are at 40-year low: At the same time, illegal border crossings have dropped to their lowest level since the Nixon administration, and net undocumented migration is at or below zero. Meanwhile, annual deportations at a historic high

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...n-ever-before/

Everyone but the tea party seem to know that the real reason immigration reform is off the table for republicans is because they determined to focus on attacking Obamacare this election cycle.
The republicans want and need immigration reform for the presidential election. They will pivot after this cycle and make a bipartisan deal for comprehensive immigration reform.
A path to Citizenship will be part of the deal, as having two classes of citizens in the country will open a constitutional can of worms. There's not much you can do about it, tea partiers, the deal is already in.

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Old 02-16-2014, 08:25 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Immigrants are not displacing anyone, no one wants the jobs they are taking.

Enforcement is not working, not for lack of effort.

No one?
Not now, that they have F'ed up the payscale!

I made a decent living right out of high school framing houses. That went bye bye to the illegals before 1990.
I got into flooring, well all the tile work went south in 92 and carpet in 98, it took awhile for them to trash the wood flooring trades, 2006 and it was all theirs.

They shoved all the going rates back to the 1960's rates per sq.ft.


I loved what I did. Would still be doing it if it paid.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:28 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It's a fact that 40% of all illegals are people who were granted visas and didn't leave when the time was up.

Everyone but the tea party seem to know that the real reason immigration reform is off the table for republicans is because they determined to focus on attacking Obamacare this election cycle.
The republicans want and need immigration reform for the presidential election. They will pivot after this cycle and make a bipartisan deal for comprehensive immigration reform.
A path to Citizenship will be part of the deal, as having two classes of citizens in the country will open a constitutional can of worms. There's not much you can do about it, tea partiers, the deal is already in.

Not when 2014 is looking to surpass 2010 in historic perspective for the Conservative movement happening in the red States and enough to turn some blue states purple for this cycle.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:28 PM
 
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Immigrants are not displacing anyone, no one wants the jobs they are taking.

Enforcement is not working, not for lack of effort.
Nobody wants to work for $5 an hour when the government will pay them more to not work.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Mandatory e-verify. Start there.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Mandatory e-verify. Start there.
There it is, in a nutshell. Mandatory, all employers, no ifs ands or buts.
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