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Old 02-25-2014, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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According to the late George Washington, our very first President....
I don't think we need to worry, too many people living in the past instead of 2014.

 
Old 02-25-2014, 05:36 AM
 
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Your statement had nothing to do with the point I was making, yes the crime rate is down so what does that have to do with the US having one of the highest rates of violent crime of any civilized country, explanation.

By the way glad that you are quoting from a respected source like the Pew Report but you left out quite a few important parts like this:



Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware | Pew Research Center


.....and the Pew Report relies on research from the Center for Disease Control, but we must be careful of getting to many facts.
You answered you own question....
 
Old 02-25-2014, 05:42 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I don't think we need to worry, too many people living in the past instead of 2014.

More relevant today, than it was when the Pilgrims hit the shores of New England.
 
Old 02-25-2014, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Your statement had nothing to do with the point I was making, yes the crime rate is down so what does that have to do with the US having one of the highest rates of violent crime of any civilized country, explanation.

By the way glad that you are quoting from a respected source like the Pew Report but you left out quite a few important parts like this:

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware | Pew Research Center


.....and the Pew Report relies on research from the Center for Disease Control, but we must be careful of getting to many facts.
True. Homicides plummeted during Clinton years (whatever the reason) and they have not pick up again since then. Non-gun crimes have plummeted even more than crimes involving guns, so the results cannot be related to any gun laws (tightening, or relaxing). Something else is causing Americans to commit less violent crimes. Did "tough on crime" and "war of drugs" approach actually work? We complain that our prisons are full, but if the streets are safer, then mabe the criminals are where they belong.
 
Old 02-25-2014, 06:34 AM
 
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True. Homicides plummeted during Clinton years (whatever the reason) and they have not pick up again since then.
Violent crime has been going down steadily over the last decades. A lot of it has to do with the Boomers outgrowing violent crime, and a lot is because of computer crime taking over. Only stupid criminals use a gun these days. The police are having a harder and harder time justifying their budgets.

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Old 02-25-2014, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Violent crime has been going down steadily over the last decades. A lot of it has to do with the Boomers outgrowing violent crime, and a lot is because of computer crime taking over. Only stupid criminals use a gun these days. The police are having harder and harder time justifying their budgets.
Going down, but not steadily. It plummeted in the 1990s, and then evened out. The good thing is that it has not begun to climb again. It hit the lows and stayed there, even dropping a littlebit more.
 
Old 02-25-2014, 06:46 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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People are realizing, we are at each others throats, because of government involvement in all our lives.
Time to fight the government, that has become more powerful than the people, instead of fighting with ourselves.
 
Old 02-25-2014, 06:48 AM
 
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People are realizing, we are at each others throats, because of government involvement in all our lives.
Time to fight the government, that has become more powerful than the people, instead of fighting with ourselves.
This year's elections are the opportunity. Get out the vote!
 
Old 02-25-2014, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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You answered you own question....
The contention was that more guns result in a lower crime rate, yes the crime rate decreased but it had nothing to do with increased guns, you confirmed that with the link YOU posted.

We can rejoice in the fact that the US rate decreased but we still have one of the highest violent crime rates, kind of like celebrating that the Houston Astros are better than last year.
 
Old 02-25-2014, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
True. Homicides plummeted during Clinton years (whatever the reason) and they have not pick up again since then. Non-gun crimes have plummeted even more than crimes involving guns, so the results cannot be related to any gun laws (tightening, or relaxing). Something else is causing Americans to commit less violent crimes. Did "tough on crime" and "war of drugs" approach actually work? We complain that our prisons are full, but if the streets are safer, then mabe the criminals are where they belong.

Some interesing theories in the article from PEW , Roe V Wade, unleaded Gas, just part of it below
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What is Behind the Crime Decline?
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Researchers continue to debate the key factors behind changing crime rates,
which is part of a larger discussion about the predictors of crime.[SIZE=3]3[/SIZE] There is consensus that demographics played some role: The outsized post-World War II baby boom, which produced a large number of people in the high-crime ages of 15 to 20 in the 1960s and 1970s, helped drive crime up in those years.

A review by the National Academy of Sciences of factors driving recent crime
trends (Blumstein and Rosenfeld, 2008) cited a decline in rates in the early 1980s as the young boomers got older, then a flare-up by mid-decade in conjunction with a rising street market for crack cocaine, especially in big cities. It noted recruitment of a younger cohort of drug seller with greater willingness to use guns. By the early 1990s, crack markets withered in part because of lessened demand, and the vibrant national economy made it easier for even low-skilled young people to find jobs rather than get involved in crime.
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