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View Poll Results: Would raising the minimum wage to $15/hr create jobs and revive the economy?
YES. I am all for it seeing how it would benefit everybody 24 20.69%
NO. I am against it because (please elaborate) 83 71.55%
I don't know / don't care 9 7.76%
Voters: 116. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-21-2014, 08:33 AM
 
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It's the employers responsibility to cover the entire cost of labor they utilize. It's not the government, nor a taxpayer responsibility to pick up the tab for the balance. American employers are not paying the full cost of labor at this time. The government is subsidizing them.
It is not their responsibility to cover the employee's cost of living, only you think that.

 
Old 02-21-2014, 08:40 AM
 
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Similarly, $7.50 worker on top of his monetary award gets all the government programs that together comprise his TOTAL COMPENSATION. From food stamps to free school lunches for his kids.
100% wrong.

The gifts of food stamps, free school lunches, etc, were not compensation for working. They were SOMEONE ELSE'S compensation, taken from them by force.


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This is why $7.50 doesn't reflect a true value of labor because the government covers the remainder of total compensation, funded by the tax payer in form of government programs.
False.
 
Old 02-21-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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That only applies to those making widget and even then nobody knows the value of said widget until they are sold. But what about the value of labor of a doctor, etcher, research scientist? How do you calculate that? Lol
So, what you're saying, is that you have no idea at all what reality is, but you're still determined to force your ignorant opinions on the rest of the world.
 
Old 02-21-2014, 08:42 AM
 
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Again, just for you. The price of gas in NJ is not higher than in Penn, while no mandates full service and penny doesn't. Even though no requires additional labor the cost of gas in NJ and PA is the same.
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State of nj still mandates that all gas stations are full service. Is gas more expensive in nj? No. Even though price of labor is higher, no attendant versus a few, price of gas in no is not higher.
Massive FAIL....

http://taxfoundation.org/article/sta...ates-2009-2013

Of the 50 States, NJ has the 48th lowest tax rate on gasoline...a whopping $0.145 per gallon.

Pennsylvania has a $0.323 per gallon tax.

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I am good in math but...

...but you failed...again...


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Old 02-21-2014, 08:43 AM
 
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I am good in math but know enough math post-docs to realize that my knowledge is marginal and doesn't entitle me to voice my opinion on advance math subjects. I leave that to experts.
Apparently not. Because you're unable to provide ANYTHING in defense of your arguments.
 
Old 02-21-2014, 08:43 AM
 
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You fail again, I did not ask for gas prices, I asked for prices of all the goods and services, try again kid.
So gas is not a product now? Lol


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Your silly attitude does not change the fact that minimum wage laws killed that job and people used that job to step up to better ones. A smart business owner WOULD offer the service, if it didn't cost $7.50/hr to do so.
Absurd. If people really thought the service of usher was valuable it would still be here.
I know supermarkets that offer free valet parking. Why? Because people consider this valuable and demand it.
He needs an usher? Why would I want somebody to escort me to my seat? Lol Are 97 yo or something?


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Because the VALUE OF LABOR is less than $7.50 on that job, kid.
And how did you calculate it? We don't have that many blacksmiths nowadays. Is it also the minimum wage that killed that job? Lol

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Old 02-21-2014, 08:48 AM
 
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Again, just for you. The price of gas in NJ is not higher than in Penn, while no mandates full service and penny doesn't. Even though no requires additional labor the cost of gas in NJ and PA is the same.
Apples to oranges comparisons. Not valid.



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If people really wanted ushers some smart business owner would offer this service but no. Nobody cares for ushers in 2014 where people, like myself, routinely by movie tickets on line to avoid standing in line. Wake up, bud. It's XXI century! Lol
No, people are not willing the pay the PRICE of an usher, since the PRICE has been inflated by people who think like you.

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You ended you argument with "yo" which leads me to believe that you apply grade school "common sense" to complex economic concepts. It's not so easy, bud lol
Seriously, your kindergarten level reasoning isn't adequate to insult adults. Nor is it adequate to qualify you to force your ideas on other people.
 
Old 02-21-2014, 08:49 AM
 
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The poll results here are very indicative of how things go in our nation. Look at it. It's basically the 80-20 rule.

the problem is, that 20% are screaming the loudest and getting their way.

but let's be honest, that REAL # is more like 5-10% that are driving this ridiculousness that we are seeing. The remaining 10-15% to get that # to 20% are just sheep with no real clue what's going on. They just read it and hear it in the media and lap it up.

Hence the way the last couple of elections have gone.
 
Old 02-21-2014, 08:50 AM
 
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Have you ever been to Germany or Japan?
Do you comprehend what excellence is? I seriously doubt it.


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Better? Our infant mortality rate is way behind Germany or Japan. We have plenty of catching up to do before we start being better lol
You know exactly nothing about the topic.

Here's a clue for you. The statistics are not comparable, because the definitions of the terms are different. It means you have absolutely no argument whatsoever.


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Man, get out of your basement, trailer park or attic and travel. See the world, learn about the world. Don't rely on media to give you all the answers. It will broaden your horizon. I promise.
Here's a clue: Once you live in the real world, your tiny little world will expand a lot.
 
Old 02-21-2014, 08:51 AM
 
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You fail again, I did not ask for gas prices, I asked for prices of all the goods and services, try again kid.
Minimum wage in Australia is $16 an hour, cost of living there is 30% higher..
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