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Old 02-19-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yes your post DOES say a lot. And the Republican war on women continues. Let me know how well that works out for you. Rational thought is doing polls, and looking at the results, you're all emotions and machismo there.
No, I was talking about your post.... Nice spin.
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Old 02-20-2014, 07:06 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Independents hate someone that is fake. Trying to be somebody they are not, in order to deceive the population.

Independents hate those that try and redefine the US Constitution.

Last poll they took right before the 2012 election reported that 20% of the voting population were registered Democrats. 35% registered Republicans, leaving 45% Independent.
Well, assuming your claim about the percentages of party affiliation is correct (which I don't think it is - but that's another issue) and considering that the Democrats took the last election then apparently that 45% of the population that is "Independent" voted for the Democrats at a ratio of 2-1 as compared to those who voted for the GOP (mathematically that has to be the case). I mean, if the Democrats got over 50% of the vote (which they did) and they only make up 20% of the voting population, then they had to get that other 30% of the total votes from the Independents - so apparently (again, based on YOUR claims) 2/3rd of Independents think that Democrats are the ones who are NOT "trying to redefine the US Constitution" and the Democrats are the ones who are NOT "fake" and NOT "trying to be somebody they are not in order to deceive the population".

That's apparently what you are saying.
Did you even think about the logic of your claim before you posted? - Or do you really believe that Democrats best respresent those views?
Just sayin...


Ken
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:40 AM
 
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Until the GOP can change, not just the GOP candidate they put in place but give themselves a complete rebranding campaign, they're not going to win the Presidency. Democrats have done a fantastic job of vilifying Republicans as misogynists, racists, bigots & homophobes by using anecdotal examples to craft this twisted caricature of the average Republican, which has allowed the Democrats to lock up certain demographics for a long time. The GOP essentially has to win every swing state to win the White House, something that is simply not going to happen. I would honestly be amazed to see a Republican in the Oval Office in the next 3-4 (or more) election cycles. The numbers/demographics are simply not on their side, and getting even worse every year.

For all the money and power they possess, they've allowed the left wing to manipulate our culture into a Republican attack machine. They've found themselves on their heels and completely unable to fight back or adapt.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Until the GOP can change, not just the GOP candidate they put in place but give themselves a complete rebranding campaign, they're not going to win the Presidency. Democrats have done a fantastic job of vilifying Republicans as misogynists, racists, bigots & homophobes by using anecdotal examples to craft this twisted caricature of the average Republican, which has allowed the Democrats to lock up certain demographics for a long time. The GOP essentially has to win every swing state to win the White House, something that is simply not going to happen. I would honestly be amazed to see a Republican in the Oval Office in the next 3-4 (or more) election cycles. The numbers/demographics are simply not on their side, and getting even worse every year.

For all the money and power they possess, they've allowed the left wing to manipulate our culture into a Republican attack machine. They've found themselves on their heels and completely unable to fight back or adapt.
Oh puh-leez. Democrats don't have to do a job of vilifying Republicans or "manipulating voters" - the GOP candidates do that all by themselves by making inflammatory, divisive and hateful statements on their own volition. Look at Todd Akin. Richard Mourdock. Nobody put them up to it except themselves.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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Oh puh-leez. Democrats don't have to do a job of vilifying Republicans or "manipulating voters" - the GOP candidates do that all by themselves by making inflammatory, divisive and hateful statements on their own volition. Look at Todd Akin. Richard Mourdock. Nobody put them up to it except themselves.
Oh, I got ya! It's okay for Republicans to be labeled as extremists using guilt by association but when someone like Rev. Wright, who was Obama's preacher for 20 years, is brought up the whole guilt by association thing goes out the window. Wright was just another guy who happened to know Obama...
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:38 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Oh, I got ya! It's okay for Republicans to be labeled as extremists using guilt by association but when someone like Rev. Wright, who was Obama's preacher for 20 years, is brought up the whole guilt by association thing goes out the window. Wright was just another guy who happened to know Obama...
Wright wasn't running for office - those GOP nimnuts were.

Ken
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:20 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Well, assuming your claim about the percentages of party affiliation is correct (which I don't think it is - but that's another issue) and considering that the Democrats took the last election then apparently that 45% of the population that is "Independent" voted for the Democrats at a ratio of 2-1 as compared to those who voted for the GOP (mathematically that has to be the case). I mean, if the Democrats got over 50% of the vote (which they did) and they only make up 20% of the voting population, then they had to get that other 30% of the total votes from the Independents - so apparently (again, based on YOUR claims) 2/3rd of Independents think that Democrats are the ones who are NOT "trying to redefine the US Constitution" and the Democrats are the ones who are NOT "fake" and NOT "trying to be somebody they are not in order to deceive the population".

That's apparently what you are saying.
Did you even think about the logic of your claim before you posted? - Or do you really believe that Democrats best respresent those views?
Just sayin...


Ken

Less people voted in 2012 than 2008.
They ran a fake candidate in 2008 with McCain a former Democrat and very Progressive, as a Conservative.
Again in 2012 they ran another self admitted Progressive and placed the Conservative label on him hoping and praying it would stick.
Wasn't Bush, or is it Rick Perry that use to be a Democrat?
Either way, look at the turnout for the 2000 election.

Again, like I said, Independents hate fake people. Those that were not fake, got the independent vote in national and local races. *cough* Ted Cruz blasting the establishment Progressive, David Dewhurst as a perfect example.

With Obama, you knew what you were going to get. He told us all he was going to fundamentally change America. The Independents that didn't like that, didn't vote for Obama or the fake Romney.

More independents lean Conservative (Ron Paul had the majority locked down), some lean Progressive.
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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What is Conservative about committing murder by waging unconstitutional war, without a declaration from Congress. That is the Progressive policy of Woodrow Wilson perpetuated by every President except Calvin Coolidge and Warren Harding, the last laise affair Conservatives to hold office, who created the biggest economic boom in history, by reducing the size and impact of the federal government on the economy.
The what?
What's a "laise affair"?
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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What is Conservative about committing murder by waging unconstitutional war, without a declaration from Congress. That is the Progressive policy of Woodrow Wilson perpetuated by every President except Calvin Coolidge and Warren Harding, the last laise affair Conservatives to hold office, who created the biggest economic boom in history, by reducing the size and impact of the federal government on the economy.
You probably don't want to hold up Warren Harding as an exemplary Conservative - because Harding was the classic example of an empty suit who "looked Presidential" but presided over a very scandal-ridden (Teapot Dome) but abbreviated term. And cheated on his wife too. Maybe it was just as well that he died in office.
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Rand Paul: Without change, GOP will "not win again in my lifetime" - CBS News

I would have to agree. If the GOP would stop trying to legislate Morality and making statements that Evolution is straight from the pits of hell, they could have a chance with the moderates, and giving them a chance with taking the presidency. Plus with the GOP infighting, its going to be a long haul for 2016
I'm predicting at least 20 to 28 years with a president that is a Democrat. Neo-cons are hard headed... They just need to accept the fact that their ideology isn't relevant and become more inclusive and expel their racist Tea Partly elements...

This is the only way they'll be relevant in the 21st century...
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