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Old 02-17-2014, 09:57 PM
 
Location: CO
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That's why I said "mediocre at best" in the OP.
That mediocre qualifier hinges on a Republican assuming office and reversing policy.

Should a Republican succeed him, his signal triumphs will likely be thoroughly repudiated, rendering him a two-term president who left, at best, a meager legacy—and virtually guaranteeing him, apart from his honored place as the first black president, a mediocre standing in history.
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Old 02-17-2014, 09:58 PM
 
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Sour grapes about 6 years too late. loll You were duped by Hope and Change. Just admit it.
Obama will be remembered as the first President who had to battle a majority party that was on the government dole. Between Medicare, SS, VA, Tricare, Medicaid for Seniors he has had to battle a Republican-Tea Party that has been addicted to handouts. Any attempt to extend health care or other services to the working poor has been attacked by the entitled class.
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Old 02-17-2014, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Inconsequential. A nice footnote. That's about it.
Dream on.

Healthcare reform after decades of failed attempts.
Guided US from worst economic meltdown in 80 years.
Gave the order that OBL, began talks with Iran, disarmed Syria.

Obama's resume is strong...and he still has 34 months to go.

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Old 02-17-2014, 10:02 PM
 
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Inconsequential. A nice footnote. That's about it.

The first black president will never be a footnote in history. It's historic.
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:02 PM
 
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On a side note while I think most of them hit the obvious legacy question which is what will the future hold for the ACA, I think they all missed what I think is the other major Obama legacy, which is that he transformed the political landscape of America by putting together a new, potentially stable winning Democratic coalition, a feat not really accomplished since FDR. Basically the Democrats had been trying to run with the old FDR coalition (urban, minority, labor, white working class, intellectuals, southerners etc.) until it collapsed completely during Reagan. Obama basically scraped this and put together a new coalition of younger voters, single women, minorities, urban, professionals etc. and won twice with it. That is huge, and imho central to the re-emergence of the Democratic party on the national and presidential level.
Valid points. But, every election I can remember always has the winning party readily pondering whether losing party is dead. TIME magazine is notorious for running with this theme after every election. Obama may represent new breed of Democrats..... but whether his election represents a lasting coalition or an anomaly remains to be seen.
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:04 PM
 
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The first black president will never be a footnote in history. It's historic.
Historic, yes. Consequential, no.
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:06 PM
 
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That mediocre qualifier hinges on a Republican assuming office and reversing policy.

Should a Republican succeed him, his signal triumphs will likely be thoroughly repudiated, rendering him a two-term president who left, at best, a meager legacy—and virtually guaranteeing him, apart from his honored place as the first black president, a mediocre standing in history.
That's one way he may be considered mediocre, not the only way.
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:06 PM
 
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Valid points. But, every election I can remember always has the winning party readily pondering whether losing party is dead. TIME magazine is notorious for running with this theme after every election. Obama may represent new breed of Democrats..... but whether his election represents a lasting coalition or an anomaly remains to be seen.
I am not saying the GOP is dead so much as I am saying this isn't your 1980s roll over and die national Democratic party.
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:06 PM
 
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The first black president will be in history books, like it or not.
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Inconsequential. A nice footnote. That's about it.
You will be so dead like the rest of the Tea Party in a few years so what will it matter?
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:07 PM
 
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Obama will be remembered as the first President who had to battle a majority party that was on the government dole. Between Medicare, SS, VA, Tricare, Medicaid for Seniors he has had to battle a Republican-Tea Party that has been addicted to handouts. Any attempt to extend health care or other services to the working poor has been attacked by the entitled class.
Makes no sense at all.
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