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View Poll Results: Which of the below choices epitomises your idea of genuine conservative thought?
Patrick J Buchanan (puleoconservatism) 27 90.00%
George W Bush (neoconservatism) 3 10.00%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-17-2014, 07:45 PM
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What's your definition of true conservatism?

1) Patrick Buchanan: small decentralized government (Federal govt's primary concern is defense); protectionist in matters of trade (free trade, with limited protectionary tariffs to protect the American worker); humble foreign policy (walk softly with a big stick); limited immigration (allows for natural wage progression).

2) George W. Bush: huge centralized government; unbridled capitalism/trade agreements (which have gutted our industrial sector); imperialist foreign policy (everyone is a potential enemy); doors-wide-open immigration (ensures that wages are decline, while the rich get richer).

Pat Buchanan and George W. Bush.

Both are labeled by intellectuals as being on the "hard Right," yet both are very different.

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Old 02-17-2014, 07:53 PM
 
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Neither of them, but Buchanan is closer.
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:25 PM
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Neither of them, but Buchanan is closer.
Appreciate your input

What is it about Buchanan's positions, that preclude him from being an ideologically "correct," or pure, conservative?
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:54 PM
 
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There is no such thing as true conservatism. There are many shades and none can claim to be the one truth.
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:58 PM
 
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Default What's Your Definition Of True Conservatism? Bush Or Buchanan?

Mindless, or, mind? That's difficult.

But, I'll go with mind.
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Old 02-17-2014, 11:38 PM
 
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conservatism? neither

Vote for Thomas Jefferson


"A Conservative is someone who wishes to conserve the Republic as defined by the Constitution of the US. Now if you want to talk about conservatives with a small 'c', that's another story. Jefferson was less a 'liberal' and more a revolutionary. Again, by definition."

"Thomas Jefferson was a ideologically a republican, in today's terms he was a conservative for conserving the Constitutional Republic."
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Old 02-17-2014, 11:39 PM
 
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I prefer paleoconservatism.
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Old 02-18-2014, 12:49 AM
 
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What's your definition of true conservatism?

1) Patrick Buchanan: small decentralized government (Federal govt's primary concern is defense); protectionist in matters of trade (free trade, with limited protectionary tariffs to protect the American worker); humble foreign policy (walk softly with a big stick); limited immigration (allows for natural wage progression).

2) George W. Bush: huge centralized government; unbridled capitalism/trade agreements (which have gutted our industrial sector); imperialist foreign policy (everyone is a potential enemy); doors-wide-open immigration (ensures that wages are decline, while the rich get richer).



Pat Buchanan and George W. Bush.

Both are labeled by intellectuals as being on the "hard Right," yet both are very different.

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You forgot:
3) Bill Clinton(1995-2000 version): Moderate centralized government with mild support for conservative ideas like welfare reform; unbridled capitalism and NAFTA trade agreements. Wide open support for immigration. Moderate support for socially conservative issues like the Defense of Marriage Act.
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Old 02-18-2014, 12:54 AM
 
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Neither. Ted Cruz
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:16 AM
 
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Neither. Buchanan is closer to me than Bush is. I have issues with his past allegations of racism, and his "small, decentralized federal government" idea.
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