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Old 02-18-2014, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Bad choice on Abbott's part couldn't he get Willie Nelson, appearing with a pedophile/draft dodger?
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Old 02-18-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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As a life-long Texan I will say this: Mr Nugent appearing with Mr. Abbott will not make a gnat's toot of difference to most voters. Mr. Abbott is a Conservative Republican, which is all that matters.

Now, if Mr. Abbott appeared with President Obama, then fur will fly. I wonder if it would be unethical for the Texan democratic party to run ads about how "President Obama Supports Abbott!"?
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Old 02-18-2014, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Shoot. Bill Clinton is not even in the minor leagues compared to the Nuge.

Back in his prime, there were at least 30 groupies who got backstage at every show, and nobody was checking their driver's licenses for age back then. Nugent's 'conquests' most probably number in the hundreds, as very few of them needed any conquering at all.

Nugent was far from alone in this; any A-list act was the same. The married guys sometimes indulged, sometimes not, but he definitely did not resist temptation. Back then, the temptation was presented hourly, not daily.

If Ol' Crappy Pants keeps up going to his appearances, we'll all see those former groupies coming out of the closet increasingly, just for the bragging rights.

And I'm sure that there is absolutely NO CHANCE that ANY rock/pop stars that supported Obama or other Dem candidates MIGHT have EVER POSSIBLY got a little somthin, somthin back stage from a fan or groupie that MIGHT just POSSIBLY have been less than 18 years old right?
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Old 02-18-2014, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Theodore originally declined to attend a fundraising dinner for Abbott, but changed his mind after discovering the event was being catered by a Chinese restaurant and Yung **** Tang was on the menu.
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Old 02-18-2014, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Preaching/proclaiming..whatever.

Anyways are you going to keep dodging the question?

should or should not our elected officials be held to a higher standard than rock stars?
Should the elected officials be held to a higher standard than rock stars?

Yes.

An elected official works on behalf of the people he represents. Sometimes the official must bow to his electorate's thoughts, even if they differ from his, if he is to be true to his public service.

The rock star works for no one but himself. He has no obligations to any one past a performance contract, and he can even break that if willing to pay a cash penalty with no particular good or harm coming to anyone else. He does not represent anyone else's beliefs other than his alone, and does not have to account to those who elected him.

Greg Abbott is doing himself a dangerous mis-service when he agreed to stand up on the same podium as Ted Nugent. Nugent is appearing on his behalf only, and is not seeking to serve anyone at all.

While his political beliefs may be in current favor with a few extremists, his personal behavior certainly may offend those same extremists if all was known. Both his view and his behavior lie outside most moderate's beliefs, and certainly lie outside most Christian morals.

And, as was reported, Nugent's beliefs are not shared by Abbott. Just being on the same stage with Nugent could brand Abbott as a hypocrite at the least, and Nugent's remarks will be associated with Abbott afterwards, no matter how much Abbott disagrees with them at the worst.

It seems to me that Abbott is way to willing to appeal to the losing side of things for a temporary advantage. If he believes this can be somehow covered up when it comes to the general election, when he has to appeal to a much larger and diverse group, he has another think coming. We all watched Mitt twist and spin and how far he got with that on the national level. Are the state elections going to be all that different? I think not.
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Old 02-18-2014, 04:59 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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In any case, the GOP, who claim they want to preserve and protect traditional marriage, couldn't have found a worse person to share the stage with.
I think it's wonderful!

I hope we see a lot of Nuge in the next couple of years!
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Old 02-18-2014, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Florida
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First of all, I don't personally know any Conservatives who "go around procIaiming how moral they are"
Because they aren't?

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Secondly, As others have noted, Ted Nugent is not a candidate .... Or a former president.
Wendy is a candidate.
Slick Willy was a president.
You don't think the people we elect to public office should be held to a different standard than a rock star?
Calling that piece of garbage a rock star is doing a huge disservice to real rockers and musicians--he is a washed-up has-been--his only connection to rock is the one he crawled out from under. I saw that Ted Nugent commentary--his face was swollen and he had huge bags under his eyes. He looked like and spoke like a disgusting pig. The fact that there are politicians with no integrity who would put this worthless jerk in front of an audience to endorse him is nothing short of extremely poor judgment, and Abbott was later forced to state that Nugent endorsed him--he did not endorse Nugent. Mr. Abbot has really really bad judgment.
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Old 02-18-2014, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Because they aren't?



Calling that piece of garbage a rock star is doing a huge disservice to real rockers and musicians--he is a washed-up has-been--[i]
I think there might be just a few people who disagree with your assessment of Mr. Nugent.



Ted Nugent & Godsmack - Stranglehold Live - YouTube
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Should the elected officials be held to a higher standard than rock stars?

Yes.

An elected official works on behalf of the people he represents. Sometimes the official must bow to his electorate's thoughts, even if they differ from his, if he is to be true to his public service.

The rock star works for no one but himself. He has no obligations to any one past a performance contract, and he can even break that if willing to pay a cash penalty with no particular good or harm coming to anyone else. He does not represent anyone else's beliefs other than his alone, and does not have to account to those who elected him.

Greg Abbott is doing himself a dangerous mis-service when he agreed to stand up on the same podium as Ted Nugent. Nugent is appearing on his behalf only, and is not seeking to serve anyone at all.

While his political beliefs may be in current favor with a few extremists, his personal behavior certainly may offend those same extremists if all was known. Both his view and his behavior lie outside most moderate's beliefs, and certainly lie outside most Christian morals.

And, as was reported, Nugent's beliefs are not shared by Abbott. Just being on the same stage with Nugent could brand Abbott as a hypocrite at the least, and Nugent's remarks will be associated with Abbott afterwards, no matter how much Abbott disagrees with them at the worst.

It seems to me that Abbott is way to willing to appeal to the losing side of things for a temporary advantage. If he believes this can be somehow covered up when it comes to the general election, when he has to appeal to a much larger and diverse group, he has another think coming. We all watched Mitt twist and spin and how far he got with that on the national level. Are the state elections going to be all that different? I think not.
^^^Yeah, that^^^

Nicely done!
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Is the pants-crapper ever going to live up to his promise of being dead or in jail? We're still waiting,
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