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Old 02-19-2014, 03:36 PM
 
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Im sorry, but i doubt an individual who is medicaid eligible is going to afford a health plan, prior or after the ACA. The people who could have had medicaid were probably too poor for individual coverage before, so those who have medicaid lost nothing and only gained. And more people would have had coverage if all states had medicaid expansion.
There were millions of people who had low cost health care insurance thru their employer, and were happy with it. Then the ACA made their low cost plan illegal, and many of them could not afford the increased costs for the ACA plan, and are now on Medicaid.
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Thats a completely different group of individuals. The discussion is about those who WERE NOT on medicaid..
You are changing the subject. YOU were claiming some went on Medicaid after insurance cancellations. The logical question then is if they had to go on Medicaid could they have afforded private health insurance premiums in the first place.
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:40 PM
 
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And doctors and hospitals can't survive on Medicare payments.
Really, thats news to me. I am in Tucson right now and in this town all the hospitals look like one big government check from Medicare. If your under 65 and you walk into one of the hospitals or clinics you will be the youngest person in the building. I have never heard anything about hospitals having trouble with Medicare.. I would bet Dick Cheneys heart transplant was paid by Medicare.
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:42 PM
 
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Im sorry, but i doubt an individual who is medicaid eligible is going to afford a health plan, prior or after the ACA. The people who could have had medicaid were probably too poor for individual coverage before, so those who have medicaid lost nothing and only gained. And more people would have had coverage if all states had medicaid expansion.
So the millions who had insurance prior to ACA but dont now, never existed because they were too poor to afford coverage?
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Sorry, but I don't see health coverage as welfare, I see it as a right. Every other country had found a way to provide universal coverage. Sorry you don't see it that way and we will just have to agree to disagree.
Your opinion is meaningless. Now collecting medicaid is now a "right".. Give it up..
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LOL, what am I making up? Sorry sir, but those are the prices that our state exchange has listed for my area for a 19 year old individual with out subsidies. If you like I can easily show them to you.
Why are you picking a 19 year old?
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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There were millions of people who had low cost health care insurance thru their employer, and were happy with it. Then the ACA made their low cost plan illegal, and many of them could not afford the increased costs for the ACA plan, and are now on Medicaid.
Wonder why their low cost plan was illegal. Lots that I've read about were basic junk that covered very little. And many people did not realize that until they actually tried to use it.
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:43 PM
 
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You are changing the subject. YOU were claiming some went on Medicaid after insurance cancellations. The logical question then is if they had to go on Medicaid could they have afforded private health insurance premiums in the first place.
Some DID go on medicaid, thats a fact.. When you expand medicaid into 4x poverty levels, this brings the total income into the $80K range to obtain subsidies.

You dont think people making $50K+ a year can afford private health insurance?
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:44 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Government creates a regulatory environment it claims fixes things, but all it does is create more problems.

The fourth Georgia hospital in two years is closing its doors due to severe financial difficulties caused by Obamacare’s payment cuts for emergency services.
Fourth Georgia hospital closes due to Obamacare cuts | The Daily Caller
We knew this would happen.
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:49 PM
 
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You are changing the subject. YOU were claiming some went on Medicaid after insurance cancellations. The logical question then is if they had to go on Medicaid could they have afforded private health insurance premiums in the first place.
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Some DID go on medicaid, thats a fact.. When you expand medicaid into 4x poverty levels, this brings the total income into the $80K range to obtain subsidies.

You dont think people making $50K+ a year can afford private health insurance?
I dont think so. If the employer isnt paying for it I dont see how a family of four with two 40 year old parents can shell out $9700 a year. Apparently the Republican Plan doesnt either since it uses subsidies. Under the ACA they would pay $3365 a year and under the Republican plan slightly more. Regardless you would be against either plan.
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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When you expand medicaid into 4x poverty levels, this brings the total income into the $80K range to obtain subsidies.
But obtaining subsidies is not Medicaid. And Medicaid has not been expanded into 4x poverty levels. You are confused.
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:51 PM
 
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I dont think so. If the employer isnt paying for it I dont see how a family of four with two 40 year old parents can shell out $9700 a year. Apparently the Republican Plan doesnt either since it uses subsidies. Under the ACA they would pay $3365 a year and under the Republican plan slightly more. Regardless you would be against either plan.
So your solution is to tax them $9700 a year and then give them medicaid..

Once again, THE MONEY NEEDS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE..
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