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...Um, sarcasm? I understand in this thread it is hard to decipher who is actually flaunting their bigotry and who's not, but come on! This law would allow business owners to refuse service to black people if the could cite religious obligations - and many DID in the pre-Civil Rights era South. Dubious at best, of course, but that's similar to objections to gay marriage while the Bible cites many more things in our daily lives that are theologically problematic.
I grew up Jewish in the South. Even in the 1990s when I was a child, we had a cross burned on my lawn and no people of color felt safe to live in my community. When my parents first moved there (before the days of Google), there were a handful of signs (down from a height in the early 80s) heading north stating "N*****s, don't let the sun set on your back in Forsyth County." The realtor didn't show my relocating parents that part of the area. Trust me, I know more about bigotry from experience - codified or otherwise - than I would ever wish on anyone else.
No it would not. That would be a violation of both federal and state laws. Race is a protected class in AZ, so is religion. Gay is not. This bill would keep people from being sued for refusing service to GAYS, but it would not apply to any protected class.
For the record the 10 Commandments in a school or a public property doesn't bother me. Praying in school doesn't either, because you're right... if one doesn't have faith, or is a different religion, why not just not partake in the prayer, or pray in your own religion how you see fit. Oh well. Whatever. I don't get offended by too much. Let people live their lives, and live your own. That is the way I see it. Too many people are in each other's business in this day and age.
It does not matter if it upsets you or not. Since it has already been ruled Unconstitutional, it does not matter to anyone...
It does not matter to me if the 10 commandments are not displayed in public schools. See how that works.
I'm on the fence with this one. On one hand I believe a business owner should have the right to decline doing business with whom ever they want. Lost business is their loss. On the other hand, where do you draw the line? No blue eyes allowed?
Is it a service only they provide? Do they have Gov contracts? Take Gov money?
I remember a case in Phili where they posted a sign English only and the ACLU got involved. I supported the Deli's right to require english only.
No it would not. That would be a violation of both federal and state laws. Race is a protected class in AZ, so is religion. Gay is not. This bill would keep people from being sued for refusing service to GAYS, but it would not apply to any protected class.
Which is actually quite silly, since it is irrefutable that religion is 100% a choice. Unfortunately, it seems like many in Arizona have made a bad choice.
No it would not. That would be a violation of both federal and state laws. Race is a protected class in AZ, so is religion. Gay is not. This bill would keep people from being sued for refusing service to GAYS, but it would not apply to any protected class.
Not true.
It extends the shelter that religious institutions had to non-religious entities that are operating under their religious beliefs.
For example, gender is a protected class. As is religion. However, a Catholic Church couldn't be compelled to put a female in to a position that the Church wouldn't allow.
This brings those same protections to the private sector.
Even the sponsor admitted that a hotel could potentially refuse service to an LDS group wearing BYU shirts during the debate
No it would not. That would be a violation of both federal and state laws. Race is a protected class in AZ, so is religion. Gay is not. This bill would keep people from being sued for refusing service to GAYS, but it would not apply to any protected class.
Windor v US and lesser appellate courts cases has set Homosexuality as a protected class. It won't be long that Homosexuality is added to the protected class list.
So says the US Supreme Court so says us all. If the US and the constitution recognizes homosexuality as a protected class...Az is not far behind. Kicking and screaming...or by their own volition.
For example, gender is a protected class. As is religion. However, a Catholic Church couldn't be compelled to put a female in to a position that the Church wouldn't allow.
Caveat. The position has to have some religious significance and a history of not being offered and held by women.
In the same vain, the church can not discrimate on a position simply because they believe it is tradionally held by men and not women.
Of course the church aready knows this, so they dont discrimate in this form.
Caveat. The position has to have some religious significance and a history of not being offered and held by women.
In the same vain, the church can not discrimate on a position simply because they believe it is tradionally held by men and not women.
Of course the church aready knows this, so they dont discrimate in this form.
yeah ... it has to be backed by their religion and practiced as such
this SB is basically amending the existing language that allows for such protection, broadening some of the wording in it and then expanding the entities that can have that protection
I think that if anti-gay conservative Christians want to claim supposed religious beliefs to discriminate against gay and lesbian people, then perhaps they need to show that they follow every command in the Bible themselves in their daily lives.
Boycott Arizona. Goodbye tourism, conventions, and snowbirds.
I'm planning a trip to the Grand Canyon right now. I support those that support religious freedom. Whiney gays can visit the Golden Gate and People's Park.
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