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Old 02-21-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Growing up and educated in Catholic schools we had your mortal and your venial sins. Is that gone now?

I didn't go to Catholic school. In fact I didn't grow up in a religious background, but always had faith (a long story). I became a full fledged Catholic prior to getting married, so I went through the adult classes for communion and conformation, as my wife was a full fledged Catholic, and I figured it would make it easier for us to get married in the Church, because she really wanted to continue to be a part of it. I'm now more or less become a recovering Catholic. My wife used to get a little miffed when I expose what I feel are hypocrisies in the religion, but even now she gets a chuckle out of it and says "yeah we were brainwashed." As I've said, I'm no athiest, but I do have some issues with organized religion and the flaws that come with it. I just prefer to live by the words of Christ to love thy neighbor. Not to mention treat others how I would like to be treated, regardless of race, gender, class, sexual orientation...ect..ect... You attract more flies than honey, than with vinegar. I'm not a saint, and never proclaim to be, but I try.

 
Old 02-21-2014, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa
Growing up and educated in Catholic schools we had your mortal and your venial sins. Is that gone now?
I grew up and was educated in Russian Orthodoxy.
There no distinction between mortal and venial sin.
A sin is a sin.
 
Old 02-21-2014, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I grew up and was educated in Russian Orthodoxy.
There no distinction between mortal and venial sin.
A sin is a sin.
That's like saying a crime is a crime.
 
Old 02-21-2014, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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This is meant purely to keep the indoctrinated sheeple in line with the 1% ideals, and used nationwide on entertainment channels presented as news. They know it will be overturned in the courts as discriminatory against the constitution, but keeps the wolves at bay and the sheep from actually thinking for themselves.
 
Old 02-21-2014, 02:09 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Gays make up less than 1% of the population.
Nope, you're wrong. The number is much higher than that.
 
Old 02-21-2014, 02:09 PM
 
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That's like saying a crime is a crime.
Your assuming religious doctrine is based in logic, like the judicial system is.
 
Old 02-21-2014, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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That's like saying a crime is a crime.
hey, I didn't make the rules. Take it up with the leaders of Eastern Orthodoxy.

 
Old 02-21-2014, 03:09 PM
 
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No, we shouldn't. Last I checked, they were never forced into an occupation dealing with the public.
Business owners can refuse service to the public as long as it is not a protected class. They don't have to deal with customers they don't want to deal with. You can stand in line at a club and be refused entrance while other people get to go in. The gay marriage thing is sticky right now, with rights being all over the place and clashes are inevitable.
 
Old 02-21-2014, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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Business owners can refuse service to the public as long as it is not a protected class. They don't have to deal with customers they don't want to deal with. You can stand in line at a club and be refused entrance while other people get to go in. The gay marriage thing is sticky right now, with rights being all over the place and clashes are inevitable.
Luckily, I live in a state where discrimination based on sexuality has been illegal for more than a decade.

Some religious beliefs are going to discriminate against protected classes. If Arizona puts this law into play, whose religious freedom rules? Could I, as a Jew, tell a Christian that I won't bake a cake for his kid's communion based on religion? Could a Christian hotel owner tell a Jewish family that they cannot rent out a block of rooms for their kid's bar mitzvah? Could a Muslim deny service to people with service dogs? Who trumps who?
 
Old 02-21-2014, 03:23 PM
 
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Windor v US and lesser appellate courts cases has set Homosexuality as a protected class. It won't be long that Homosexuality is added to the protected class list.

So says the US Supreme Court so says us all. If the US and the constitution recognizes homosexuality as a protected class...Az is not far behind. Kicking and screaming...or by their own volition.
And the list of those with official victimhood status grows. I'm sorry, either laws are the same for everyone, or they aren't. I don't like these protected groups laws, is it okay to refuse those people not lucky enough to have an over-vocal lobby in government?
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