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(set 17 days ago)
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn
Probably won't go anywhere. The liberals in LA and San Fran will never let the more productive parts of the state leave them.
But it's a nice thought.
Be a shame to hack up the formerly great state into pieces. But when a body is fatally infected with parasites, all you can do is cut out the most rotted parts (yellow and green areas below), to let the rest live as best it can.
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Secretary of State Debra Bowen announced that the proposed ballot initiative – known as Six Californias – could move forward Tuesday.
Valid voter signatures are needed from 800,000 to put the measure on the ballot statewide.
This has been discussed to death.
1. Los Angeles' GDP is more than 1/3 of the entire states. If you are going to try to claim liberals are less productive , please dont use argument that can be debunked by a simple google search.
2. You dont want a split California, Conservatives would only control 2, you would be Gerrymandering yourselves out of a majority in the senate.
You would be packing the majority of conservatives in California into 2 states, so while you may gain 4 senators, the Dems would gain 6
3. This is actually an extension of #2. Yellow and green arent all you need to worry about
Orange and Purple California would both go blue in Presidential elections.In fact, It would be a land slide in purple
maybe this will better show the flaw in your argument.
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Originally Posted by allenk893
Aren't the farmers markets and billion dollar vegan food industry you liberal coastals love so much mainly subsidized and supported by the agriculture from the farmers in the inland and central red valleys? You'll be needing them more than they'll be needing you.
Nope, its called corporate farming. those commercials you see of farmers are for the most part staged. Corporations own the majority of farming crops in this nation.
What you buy at a farmer's market is indeed grown locally, but it peggy sue and Mark Wayne dont own the farm it was grown on; Monstanto or Tyson's Food does.
Of which there would be not one, but six, in the astronomically unlikely event that this proposal ever became law.
Why? All it takes is for people to demand it. Five years ago many people would have said it would be astronomically unlikely that pot would ever be legal in Colorado, but it happened.
Sometimes even the small dog is able to get a bone.
I will support it because it resolves a number of issues.
For one thing the parts of California that do not agree with the states current liberal agenda will have the opportunity to live under their own representative government.
Second it will bring more power to Washington from the west coast giving the western states a more even playing field in Washington.
The current California borders were drawn expressly to expedite the exploitation of California's gold deposits and not to provide a reasonable area for state administration.
The larger a state is, the more inefficient its state government becomes and the less responsive it is to the needs of its citizens. California is more like a small country than a state. The citizens of California live under 2 federal sized out of touch governments instead of a small and efficient state government.
It's a stupid idea. Where would it end?
Again, EVERY STATE has a political minority. So you mean to tell me that in every state, every ocean of blue and red should break off and become their own states? Really?
Because it's just so damn intolerable to live under the other party's rule?
That's just lazy politics. Any lamebrain could come up with that argument. The solution is to not be so damn polarized to the point that the parties can't even agree on what state they live in.
There isn't a damn thing wrong with the way California is currently configured and it's no different than any other state.
Like i said before, we have huge areas of my state (Arizona) that are blue...the border region, several of our larger cities, the Indian reservations....but we liberals have to suck it up and deal with a GOP that's so damn extreme as to make the state look like a bunch of rubes nationally. You think i like being represented by McCain, Flake, and Brewer? Hell no i don't. But i'm not about to endorse breaking up the state just so i can get my way. You work with what you have.
If California Conservatives can't hack it politically, then they can move to Oklahoma or Mississippi and be around nothing but like-minded people.
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Originally Posted by northbound74
Political opposition must be squashed!
Not saying that...but as i said before, if California Conservatives are so frustrated because they don't have the numbers, then they can leave the state.
I heard this before but it's never going to happen. I don't think California should be split up anyway, just give individual state counties should have more control over their own jurisdiction.
People make a lot of misconceptions about California. It's a very large and very diverse state, both culturally and politically. Sure places like the Bay Area as liberal as they come, but other parts such as Orange County are VERY conservative.
California is the largest economy in the country. It's arguably the most important state. Make fun of it all you want, but it's the best state to live in IMO.
The SF metro and LA metro aren't the productive parts of the state? Sounds like you don't know much about California. Also, what is this obsession with splitting up California? Why not obsess about splitting up Texas?
Why? All it takes is for people to demand it. Five years ago many people would have said it would be astronomically unlikely that pot would ever be legal in Colorado, but it happened.
Sometimes even the small dog is able to get a bone.
You need to face facts that this will never happen even two states would never happen (much less five) simply because most of the people reside in the southern half of the state and we would never vote to cut ourselves off from the water in the north.
I heard this before but it's never going to happen. I don't think California should be split up anyway, just give individual state counties should have more control over their own jurisdiction.
This will never happen so long as Democrats dominate the legislature in Sacramento.
They love to spend the money that us Angelenos are compelled to send up north.
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