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Old 02-21-2014, 11:08 AM
 
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To the young libs out there the first lady thinks your nothing more than excuse my french--- POS

Go ahead keep kneeling to the Obama altar---"FOOLS"

First lady sells Obamacare: 'Young people are knuckleheads' | The Daily Caller
I find it refreshing that she had the candor to speak the truth.

Doesn't matter if the topic is Obamacare or something else, it's generally a truism.

I mean, serious irony here, there is a repeated meme here from the right that young voters stupidly voted for Obama.
Now, whether that's true or not it's hillariously hypocritical to call the young people stupid in one breath and then moan and finger point when your rivals reach the same conclusion.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:08 AM
 
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At least 24 states have laws that limit damage payments in malpractice cases. Most of these laws limit the amounts paid for noneconomic damages (e.g., pain and suffering) but a few limit both economic (e.g., medical expenses and lost wages) and noneconomic damages.

I believe the Bush Administration proposed to cap payments for noneconomic damages in medical malpractice cases at $250,000. That went nowhere. I seem to recall the Constitution was used as an argument.

After 6 years of a Republican controlled Congress under a Republican President, I think we can kiss medical tort reform goodbye and agree that Congress is uninterested, regardless of which party holds the majority.

My long time OB/GYN was paying $350,000 a year in malpractice insurance. After 3 decades and serious thousands of births, she had to discontinue her OB practice. Fast forward a few years, she folded her practice and joined a hospital-owned group as an employee. Her employer gets a group rate on malpractice and she gets to do what she intended, all along- deliver healthy babies. She also now has a life and is not on call 24/7.
Which only means nobody is serious about bringing costs down....that's what I said. The arguments are often times that places like Canada is able to handle universal health care. They also hold the costs down. That's the problem, you can not address only one side of the problem.

Canada keeps malpractice cost in check | Tampa Bay Times

For neurosurgeons in Miami, the annual cost of medical malpractice insurance is astronomical — $237,000, far more than the median price of a house.

In Toronto, a neurosurgeon pays about $29,200 for coverage. It's even less in Montreal ($20,600) and Vancouver ($10,650).



Why do we and did we refuse to address this?
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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Statistically young people don't need health insurance, criminally the ACA forces them to purchase it to pay for the needs of others. Name calling and demogoging those who don't enroll shows how desperate they are.
Do you have any statistics that are about how many young people use the Emergency Room for Primary Care? Go ahead and include all the people that use Emergency Rooms for everything.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Florida
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She's referring to those that are 27+ being knuckleheads, not 17 year old kids.
I saw the video. She was talking about young people who think they are indestructible. It is true, when people are young they think nothing will ever happen to them. If you did not feel that way, then you are an exception rather than the rule. Look at the those young snowboarders etc in the Olympics. They are crazy knuckleheads, and I was just like them when I was young.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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She's referring to those that are 27+ being knuckleheads, not 17 year old kids. So you were a knucklehead when you were 27 or 28 years of age? First time cooking? First time cutting their finger, dancing on bar stools? The majority of those over 27 left the nest some time ago and are responsible for themselves. They either live on their own or are married and possibly have a child. Apparently she's referring to those knuckleheads that haven't enrolled under ACA because they can't afford it or they are smart enough to know that they are not going to benefit from ACA but will be funding ACA.
Not all adult children under 27 are being carried on their parent's policy. Those who are married are not eligible. Sadly, not all parents have healthcare insurance. In some cases, neither the parent or the adult children can afford or are willing to make the tough choices to enable them to afford healthcare insurance.

Conversely, many young adults are enrolled in their employer's large group healthcare plans which increasingly include an HSA option.

Young adults tend to think of themselves as invincible which has nothing to do with the ACA.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:14 AM
 
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Speaking of knuckleheads. She was in a skit with two cross dressing retards who claim to be "funny".
In Mo. a single person making 18k or less will pay no premium. I helped a guy sign up and this is what it said to cost him.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:14 AM
 
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Which only means nobody is serious about bringing costs down....that's what I said. The arguments are often times that places like Canada is able to handle universal health care. They also hold the costs down. That's the problem, you can not address only one side of the problem.

Canada keeps malpractice cost in check | Tampa Bay Times

For neurosurgeons in Miami, the annual cost of medical malpractice insurance is astronomical — $237,000, far more than the median price of a house.

In Toronto, a neurosurgeon pays about $29,200 for coverage. It's even less in Montreal ($20,600) and Vancouver ($10,650).



Why do we and did we refuse to address this?

Interesting read. Part of the problem in the US is addressed here:

"One reason: Canadian law firms, unlike U.S. firms, often require plaintiffs to pay for an initial investigation to determine whether the claim has merit. That cost discourages many people from pursuing a lawsuit."

That, and the British way of making the LOSER pay the winner's legal expenses would likely eliminate future frivolous lawsuits. There is a time and place for litigation, and it should not be viewed as playing the lottery.

While trial lawyers have historically tied themselves to Democrats, they also donate to Republicans as well. Tort reform needs to be a starting point, but as they say, the intersection of politicians and lobbyists is a bad place to be.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:15 AM
 
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In Mo. a single person making 18k or less will pay no premium. I helped a guy sign up and this is what it said to cost him.
The policy still costs more than $50 a month.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:16 AM
 
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Interesting read. Part of the problem in the US is addressed here:

"One reason: Canadian law firms, unlike U.S. firms, often require plaintiffs to pay for an initial investigation to determine whether the claim has merit. That cost discourages many people from pursuing a lawsuit."

That, and the British way of making the LOSER pay the winner's legal expenses would likely eliminate future frivolous lawsuits. There is a time and place for litigation, and it should not be viewed as playing the lottery.

While trial lawyers have historically tied themselves to Democrats, they also donate to Republicans as well. Tort reform needs to be a starting point, but as they say, the intersection of politicians and lobbyists is a bad place to be.
It's clear that this is something that must be addressed to have a working health care system in place here but watch any of the stories and debates......all we get is two sides lying and calling each other names.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:26 AM
 
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Yeah, I know. Right. (To quote you).

What's pathetic is you need to resort to name calling and making it about party because you have nothing else.
Mmmm, yes. Who are the ones crying hysterically about a word? One hint: it's not me or any liberals, it's you cons. Why? Because you have nothing else.
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