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Old 02-23-2014, 06:13 PM
 
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Which is even more puzzling as to why there are so few people with credentials willing to touch such an amazing anomaly with a half-baked explanation.
It's not a "half baked" explanation. It's an obviously true one.

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That alone is a conspiracy in and of itself.

Again, occam's razor doesn't explain this one away. It actually confirms it as a conspiracy.
Yes, but that conspiracy exists only in YOUR mind.

 
Old 02-23-2014, 06:19 PM
 
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I clearly stated that it doesn't need to melt.

Did you skip 6th grade, which taught you about conduction, right to 11th grade? The amount of heat to expand that amount of steel would have been impossible as the whole frame would behave like a.giant heat sink.
Obviously you have never done any welding.

Steel conducts heat very slowly. There is no "heat sink" effect of any significance. Besides, the real issue at stake is that the concrete and steel expansion results in shattering the concrete, which is what caused the failure in the first place.
 
Old 02-23-2014, 06:19 PM
 
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Amazingly, engineers whose job it is to look at fire safety has done science on this subject. Y'know, real science - with square roots and carry the 2 and that sort of stuff.

You want to look at Fig 3 in this link:

High-Temperature Properties of Steel for Fire Resistance Modeling of Structures | Mahmoud Dwaikat - Academia.edu

- and you'll learn that steel at 1500 F (800+ C) has about 20% or less of its yield strength.

Wow, it's almost as if people who design jet engines aren't complete idiots. The answer is obvious: They don't use construction-grade steel in jet engines. Amazing, innit?

Heck, they developed an entirely new alloy - Nimonic - to build the Whittle engines in the 40s. This is the sort of thing you could look up if you were the slightest bit interested.

There was plenty of jet fuel, and it was not a free fall.

The implied assumptions the questions are absurd. The answers are exactly what one would expect.
There was plenty of jet fuel?? Where? You know this how? Maybe you got a nice formula to show.exactly how.much jet fuel was spent by the resulting fireball upon impact? Can I possibly glean some of that holy grail info you got?

Hey, if it WASN'T a free fall...then perhaps YOU have the model of the absurd "interior.collapse" of WTC7 that went on for "20 seconds" before the "exterior only" went into freefall. Because you'd be ahead of the game. In fact, you'd be the ONLY one who could furnish that info.

Of course, questioning it is absurd. Because not only did the unprecedented happen that day...it happened 3 times. Real absurd.
 
Old 02-23-2014, 06:23 PM
 
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There was plenty of jet fuel?? Where? You know this how? Maybe you got a nice formula to show.exactly how.much jet fuel was spent by the resulting fireball upon impact? Can I possibly glean some of that holy grail info you got?

Hey, if it WASN'T a free fall...then perhaps YOU have the model of the absurd "interior.collapse" of WTC7 that went on for "20 seconds" before the "exterior only" went into freefall. Because you'd be ahead of the game. In fact, you'd be the ONLY one who could furnish that info.

Of course, questioning it is absurd. Because not only did the unprecedented happen that day...it happened 3 times. Real absurd.
Every argument you made above is without merit.

The fireball was actually a pretty small amount of fuel - comparatively. The majority was driven into interior of the building by velocity.

It wasn't a "free fall" at all.

It was a floor by floor, one floor at a time impact and failure, then on to the next one.
 
Old 02-23-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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Obviously you have never done any welding.

Steel conducts heat very slowly. There is no "heat sink" effect of any significance. Besides, the real issue at stake is that the concrete and steel expansion results in shattering the concrete, which is what caused the failure in the first place.
and what about the molten metal then??
 
Old 02-23-2014, 06:32 PM
 
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Here's one to think about:

What if....just what if....what we saw on 9/11 did actually happen, and the buildings came down just as we have been told, physics and science and all...BUT, to appease the truthers, the government HIRED those hijackers to do it!
Well, that would be interesting, wouldn't it?

Omari Number 2

"Mr. Al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being reported as a dead hijacker in the American media."

“Abdul Aziz Al-Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines” – BBC 23rd September 2001

“A pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking * as well as being dead and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation.” – Independent 17th September 2001

The FBI's Blunder: 9/11 Hijack Suspects Alive and Well

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Old 02-23-2014, 06:36 PM
 
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Every argument you made above is without merit.

The fireball was actually a pretty small amount of fuel - comparatively. The majority was driven into interior of the building by velocity.
The fact that you said this RIGHT after you mention "without merit"....is amazing, but in an awful way.

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It wasn't a "free fall" at all.
I meant to say "free-for-all"

But about that freefall...it was that too. 7 seconds.

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It was a floor by floor, one floor at a time impact and failure, then on to the next one.
What building are you talking about? 7? "Floor by floor" conflicts with NIST, who admit the building was in free fall for a period of the collapse.
 
Old 02-23-2014, 06:38 PM
 
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It's not a "half baked" explanation. It's an obviously true one.



Yes, but that conspiracy exists only in YOUR mind.
You are so iron-y
 
Old 02-23-2014, 06:38 PM
 
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and what about the molten metal then??
???? What about it? I don't understand your question.
 
Old 02-23-2014, 06:39 PM
 
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???? What about it? I don't understand your question.
If you believe that the steel was compromised only to the point of give...

How do YOU explain the MOLTEN metal found on site?
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