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did you recommend this service, that you're now criticizing heavily, to your son?
military service is voluntary...
You need to reread my post as I don't know where you are seeing me "criticizing heavily" mine or my son's military service. I did make a post to illustrate how hard he is working for the compensation he is receiving to show that military service isn't like a civilian job.
I told my son the good and bad of military service and he made his own decision.
You need to reread my post as I don't know where you are seeing me "criticizing heavily" mine or my son's military service. I did make a post to illustrate how hard he is working for the compensation he is receiving to show that military service isn't like a civilian job.
I told my son the good and bad of military service and he made his own decision.
fine, well you're strongly ridiculing compensation, yet your son chose to join. obviously the good must have outweighed the bad in both of your minds.
I doubt it actually gets done. If it did, if the cuts somehow went into effect, we'd forever lose the ability to recruit. America's global military would be dead. I get the argument behind the cuts, but I have to agree with others: cut out the needless B1/B2/Osprey purchases before cutting vets benefits. So what if it's 50 percent of the budget?
The bottom line is that I don't expect this Budget to fly at all. They mystery is why do they think it will?
Slash & Burn, while adding boondoggle "Institutes" and "studies" to cities like Detroit and Chicago is lunacy in an Election year when Democrats in the Senate are fighting for their lives. The National Guard, Governors, Veterans groups and mostly CongressCritters - will be very loud about the newly proposed Defense Budget.
There are going to be acquisition cuts for sure, the Military will concentrate on up-grades (as they have for years), but they have a real problem with their lack of planning. The F-35 is sucking up most of the oxygen. Lot's of programs will fall, but the Osprey won't be one of them - the Defense Department is buying more, and so are Israel and Japan as the Defense Department opens up the sale of the Osprey to other countries. I think too many people are relying on very old data about the V-22 - it's not going away.
The Defense Department needs to clean up it's act, but just as important .... they need to stop funding solar panels, boondoggle studies about prostitution/fish/batteries/a plethora of very odd stuff .... and concentrate on Defense. Everyone should notice that there are no cuts at all to the HUGE Contractor base OR the HUGE civilian base in the Defense Department.
Liberals need to find the money from somewhere to pay for their continuing social engineering. Which in the past has shown to be a continual failure but learning from history is not something they wish to do.
Teeing up what could be a politically explosive fight before the midterm elections in November, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on Monday will recommend billions of dollars in annual budget cuts that would reduce housing allowances and other benefits, increase health-care premiums, and limit pay raises, CBS News confirms.
You can always, always, always, count on the democrats to cut the military, refuse to enforce immigration, while calling for increases everywhere else.
The two things the federal government is required to do, borders & immigration control, and maintain a military & provide for the national defense, are always the first two areas they want to cut.
look, i woud like everyone to make more! however, if cuts have to be made, you should go after the fat! and that is the officer core, which has ballooned the last decade...
Again the 11th RMC would disagree with you: stating that enlisted are in the 90th percentile of wages for enlisted equivalent civilians where officers are in the 83rd percentile of wages for officer equivalent civilians.
No doubt the officer percentile is skewed down by the relatively low compensation for Doctors, lawyers, pilots and graduate level nurses. (Graduate level military personnel are in the 47th percentile compared to their civilian counterparts).
But in the last 8 years enlisted compensation has grown by 20% where officer compensation grew only 9%.
No doubt any non-professional in the military is highly compensated, but there is 'fat' in more places than just the officer corps, and that data shows there is more fat on the blue side than the gold.
fine, well you're strongly ridiculing compensation, yet your son chose to join. obviously the good must have outweighed the bad in both of your minds.
Again, please reread my post...I am not "strongly ridiculing compensation", I was countering the people who are saying the military is overly compensated and their pay and benefits need to be cut. I'm not arguing for more pay or benefits, I'm arguing they not be cut as these service members agreed to serve based on that compensation. Offering them a certain level of compensation to get them to join and reducing it after they agree to join and are locked into a contract isn't the best way to make cuts in the DOD budget.
Neither my son or I joined solely because of the pay. We both wanted to serve our country and not rely on others to do the heavy lifting.
Come on now everyone, this is just a tactic being used to get cuts in other areas, same tactic Gates used.
Throw these things out to Congress, and Congress will be cornered and all but forced to cut in other areas that the DOD truly wants cut, and are really nothing than pork for congressional districts.
Unless Congress gets cornered on something, or there are gov wide cuts (like the sequestration), it is basically impossible to cut the DOD budget; too many people have their hands in the pot.
It is a brilliant strategy actually; threaten massive cuts in personnel, or divert money to personnel but cut out pet projects.
Actually officers are compensated at a lower rate as compared to their civilian counterparts than enlisted members are.
Sure supply officers make bank competitively, but look at the pilots, doctors, nurses, lawyers who all make less than their civilian counterparts (yes there are bonuses to bridge the gap, but they don't get close even if these professions worked a 9-5 stateside only). And then look at the corpsman, yeomen, cooks, gate guards and the like that make much more than their civilian counterparts.
The whole socialist methodology of military pay needs to be adjusted.
I don't know about the nurses or doctors but I know a ton of lawyers who made more than they ever would in the civilian world. In my office we had a Cooley Grad, a Widner grad, an Ohio State and a Kansas Grad. They all make 70-80K a year. If you look at their schools employment numbers they are doing much better than the average Grads from their schools. You can't compare their compensation to the 160K legal jobs because they weren't getting them anyway.
We never would win that war today !
It would end up as a stalemate just like Korea and Vietnam.
The civilians today would not put up with the sacrifices the civilians of WWII did...........( rationing, draft, high number of American casualties, dropping the bomb to end the war )
We would win and Americans would put up with it because the reason for the war were not ambiguous, and we had an actual defined objective and defined condition for victory; people tend to get behind things like this. People tend to lose support quickly for military operations that are ambiguous in reasons, full of mission drift, no definition of what winning is, etc; basically against the Orwellian "indefinite war" strategy.
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