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weltschmerz, what you're referring to are Romanian citizens. Romania has yet joined the Schengen Agreement. Bulgarians aren't even Europeans.
Bulgarians are Europeans.
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Is that why France is throwing out gypsies?
They deserve it.
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Liberal? hahahah
It's actually the libertarian anarcho-capitalists who're pushing for free movement of labor across international lines.
So this is a troll thread.....you intentionally misled the title.
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Mircea, you have no idea of what you're talking about. I'm not in the mood to quote every last thing you said.
What a cop-out. You got hammered and lost.
Your unconditional surrender is accepted.
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First off, I don't think you know what a felony is.
I've arrested more felons than you ever will.
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Civics 101 teaches you that a felony is an offense that subjects you to imprisonment for a year or more. The language you posted shows that it's no more than 6 months of imprisonment. In other words, crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor .
It's a felony for the 2nd Offense.
And, you're so wrong it's not even funny.
It's a misdemeanor only so long as you do nothing but walk around the US.
The minute an illegal alien applies for a job, they have just misrepresented themselves as an American Citizen, which is a felony.
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A free market requires regulation alright. I don't want to see you whine whenever congress pushes to regulate Wall Street's risky instruments.
Why would I whine?
I don't give a damn about Wall Streetâ„¢.
Stocks are not necessary. Stocks are merely one of several dozen ways of investing. A stock market is neither a requirement of an economy, nor a requirement for a successful economy.
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The fatal flaw is misunderstanding what a Free Market truly is.
In a Free Market, consumers engage in voluntary transactions.
All parties to a transaction must be willing participants.
Mircea
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US and Canadian citizens are subject to passport inspection upon entering either country. The Schengen zone doesn't require any type of inspection within the 26 member countries.
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It's an open policy between the participating countries.
So this is a troll thread.....you intentionally misled the title.
What a cop-out. You got hammered and lost.
Your unconditional surrender is accepted.
I've arrested more felons than you ever will.
It's a felony for the 2nd Offense.
And, you're so wrong it's not even funny.
It's a misdemeanor only so long as you do nothing but walk around the US.
The minute an illegal alien applies for a job, they have just misrepresented themselves as an American Citizen, which is a felony.
Why would I whine?
I don't give a damn about Wall Streetâ„¢.
Stocks are not necessary. Stocks are merely one of several dozen ways of investing. A stock market is neither a requirement of an economy, nor a requirement for a successful economy.
You've been disproven over and over again by several posters not to mention clubbed, beaten and humiliated. Why don't you just admit defeat and bow out gracefully?
You've been disproven over and over again by several posters not to mention clubbed, beaten and humiliated. Why don't you just admit defeat and bow out gracefully?
What did I say that was wrong?
The Schengen Agreement is an open borders initiative? Fact: It is.
Free movement of labor is a free market principle? Fact: It is.
France was deporting nearly 100 Gypsies, or Roma, to their native Romania on Thursday as part of a very public effort by conservative President Nicolas Sarkozy to dismantle Roma camps and sweep them out of the country.
Is the free movement of labor a free market principle? Why shouldn't a business man hire an illegal if he chooses to? What business is it of the government to regulate the hiring process of a private business?
1. national sovereignty: when one ceases to control the borders of a nation, citizens ceases to control the nation.
2. we do not live in a "free market": we have minimum wage supports and a government welfare state. If there was no minimum wage, I would have no problem with the illegals competing with all of the democrats for $2 wages. Further, I would not want to support 30 million new dependents, who would soak up all the entitlements they could get.
3. An illegal is not subject to the same labor costs as a citizen: we have FICA and potentially health insurance costs which add to the cost of labor for citizens. If US citizens would agree to give up healthcare, social security and medicare benefits and be on equal footing with illegals, I would be all for it.
4. The government is not "regulating" the hiring of private business- they are simply attempting to determine who should be in the nation legally. Such a business could choose to go to Mexico (or anywhere for that matter) and hire all of the mexican citizens they want.
1. national sovereignty: when one ceases to control the borders of a nation, citizens ceases to control the nation.
LOLZ. I guess America has never had national sovereignty then.... or maybe you think illegal immigration is a modern phenomenon.
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2. we do not live in a "free market": we have minimum wage supports and a government welfare state. If there was no minimum wage, I would have no problem with the illegals competing with all of the democrats for $2 wages. Further, I would not want to support 30 million new dependents, who would soak up all the entitlements they could get.
What about illegals competing with all the republicans for $2 wages?
But I guess you want us to look like China or the more industrial parts of SE Asia and Africa.
[quote]3. An illegal is not subject to the same labor costs as a citizen: we have FICA and potentially health insurance costs which add to the cost of labor for citizens. If US citizens would agree to give up healthcare, social security and medicare benefits and be on equal footing with illegals, I would be all for it.
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4. The government is not "regulating" the hiring of private business- they are simply attempting to determine who should be in the nation legally. Such a business could choose to go to Mexico (or anywhere for that matter) and hire all of the mexican citizens they want.
They do often go to Mexico or somewhere else for all those reasons. It's one reason why wages have not kept up with profits.
In conclusion, "capitalism" has been failing the US for many decades now.
An even better question would be, why are businesses allowed to locate wherever they like to turn the biggest profit, and investors allowed to invest wherever they like to realize the greatest returns, while workers aren't allowed to travel wherever they like to get the best job?
The "free market" is a myth. Always has been, always will be.
This right here is the fundamental question.
We could very easily state that people can come here to the US as citizens, on the premise that they shall get no welfare.
Is the free movement of labor a free market principle? Why shouldn't a business man hire an illegal if he chooses to? What business is it of the government to regulate the hiring process of a private business?
illegal aliens? you do understand that illegal aliens implies someone that has broken the law and is a criminal alien. if they are here legally, then you would be correct, but illegally just means that came across the border as a criminal.
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