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Originally Posted by knowledgeiskey
Entering the country illegally is not a felony.
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If you haven't learned anything by now, it's that I never comment on anything without being fully versed in the subject matter.
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Where did you get that false information from?
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Your government......knowledge is key, you know?
Specifically to wit...
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Title 8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. (b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of - (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed. (c) Marriage fraud Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both. (d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.
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...one of the law firms I worked for did immigration law, you know, being the 3rd largest law firm in Florida, and Florida being a point of entry for many in the Southern Hemisphere, especially Cuba.
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Originally Posted by knowledgeiskey
And being in the country illegally is not a crime in itself. It's a civil offense. Running the stop light is just as severe of an offense as living in the country undocumented.
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Uh-huh.....and you get imprisoned for up to 6 months or up to 2 years for running a stop light?
You know....this would be easier if you would either study Immigration Law or not comment on matters on which you are ignorant.
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So in other words, you have no problem with a regulated market. Thanks for letting me know you aren't a free market advocate.
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Again, that is a Straw Man Fallacy. You have intentionally misrepresented Free Markets in order to mislead other people, which is not even cool.
Borders are a function of sovereignty, which is a matter of Political Science, not Economics.
There is nothing in the Laws of Economics that says you are obligated to slit your own throat.
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Who sad a free market should only occur within our borders?
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In your haste to construct a Straw Man Fallacy and intentionally mislead people on this forum....you over-looked the Reality™ that
States are in and of themselves Markets, which compete.
Right?
Wal-Mart, Kroger's, Remke, Meijers, Target, Safeway, Piggly-Wiggly.....they all compete, just as the US, Russia, Brasil, India, China, Canada, Japan
et al compete.
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Are you against tariffs?
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In principle, yes, since that is interference in the Market, although I might be willing to accept a Value Added Tax as a Tariff if applied to
all imports and
exports, with no exceptions or displays of favoritism.
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Working illegally isn't a crime. There are tons of Americans working under the table. Not every part of the labor force is on the books.
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It is a crime. It's tax evasion....you go to prison for that.
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Heck, many are children.
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Not relevant.
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A free market entails no form of regulation.
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That is wrong.
You can regulate Free Markets.
Your lack of knowledge has resulted in the blatantly false assumption that all regulation is harmful. That is not true. Regulations come in three different flavors and regulations can be positive, neutral or negative.
By default, any regulation which causes Cost-push Inflation is harmful and should never be enacted, or if enacted, should be repealed or rescinded.
Any regulation which coerces or forces consumer transactions, whether the transaction is household-to-household, household-to-business, business-to-business, business-to-government or household-to-government is a negative and will cause harm.
Regulations that cause Interest Inflation are also very harmful....you just recently witnessed that with the housing bubble stupidity.
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Controlling the movement of people across international borders is a regulation on the free market.
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No, it isn't.
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By your standard, regulated trade between countries is not an infringment on the free market since it isn't domestic.
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The fatal flaw is misunderstanding what a Free Market truly is.
In a Free Market, consumers engage in
voluntary transactions.
All parties to a transaction must be willing participants.
As a restaurant owner, I can deny you entry into my restaurant without violating Free Market Principles.
My restaurant is full of patrons....no additional seating is available....I voluntarily choose not to enter into a consumer transaction with you, because to do so would cause harm to my patrons, by diminishing their dining experience, and it would tax my labor resources, further diminishing the dining experience for patrons.
There is no Law of Economics that compels one to take actions which are detrimental or harmful to one's self.
Open borders are fine, provided no harm or detriment is caused, but if harm results, then closing borders and refusing to engage in consumer transactions is a reasonable course of action.
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Then you're not a free marketeer.
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And you're extremely disingenuous...
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