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Old 02-25-2014, 03:18 PM
 
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I've heard it before. Spanish is the language of the ghetto. Spanish speakers are looked down upon in this country. Despite millions upon millions of French speakers living in 3rd world countries (French speaking former colony countries are less developed, as a whole, than former Spanish colonies), French enjoys a better reputation in the US than Spanish does. Is there an inherent bias against Spanish? Seems like a lot of Americans have no idea that Spanish is a European language, with its home country bordering France. But, when it comes to French, pretty much even a redneck would probably know French is a European language and France is in Europe.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Probably because Spanish is stereotyped by association with low income Latino immigrants in this country - though it says nothing about international trade with Latin America (a lot of that being conducted out of South Florida), nor does it say anything about the media empire of say Telemundo or Univision. I've seen posters on these forums state with all seriousness that learning Spanish (if you're not native) as a language dooms you to low-wage occupations, just by association. How stupid is that!

Whereas, French has the old tradition of the language of diplomacy, though, as you say, it says little of the impoverished inhabitants of Francophone developing countries, but we don't see many of them here in the USA, aside from Haitian immigrants.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:29 PM
 
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You think that's bad, try speaking cimmerian. Everyone looks at you like you're some kind of barbarian.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I do not hold any romantic language in high esteem. Both the French and the Spanish have given me cause to dislike them as a whole. I have far more respect for just about any other people and language than I have for French or Spanish. French and Spanish are two filthy languages I will never learn.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:34 PM
 
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Probably because Spanish is stereotyped by association with low income Latino immigrants in this country - though it says nothing about international trade with Latin America (a lot of that being conducted out of South Florida), nor does it say anything about the media empire of say Telemundo or Univision.

Whereas, French has the old tradition of the language of diplomacy, though, as you say, it says little of the impoverished inhabitants of Francophone developing countries, but we don't see many of them here in the USA, aside from Haitian immigrants.
That being said, most latinos in the US come from 2 places: Mexico, a foreign country; and Puerto Rico, a US territory. None of France's former possessions, except 2, are anything above 3rd world (except Tunisia and Morocco). Seems like to me it's a numbers game. Just by pure coincidence that most Spanish countries are nearby, despite all of them being 2nd world (except Nicaragua and Cuba)

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I do not hold any romantic language in high esteem. Both the French and the Spanish have given me cause to dislike them as a whole. I have far more respect for just about any other people and language than I have for French or Spanish. French and Spanish are two filthy languages I will never learn.
Why are they filthy?
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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I do not hold any romantic language in high esteem. Both the French and the Spanish have given me cause to dislike them as a whole. I have far more respect for just about any other people and language than I have for French or Spanish. French and Spanish are two filthy languages I will never learn.
What the hell is a "filthy" language?

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Old 02-25-2014, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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What the hell is a "filthy" language?
In any case, I have absolutely no doubt that you're incapable of learning them.
Sadly, these sort of threads bring out the worst expressions of xenophobia and ethnocentrism around.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:44 PM
 
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I've heard it before. Spanish is the language of the ghetto. Spanish speakers are looked down upon in this country. Despite millions upon millions of French speakers living in 3rd world countries (French speaking former colony countries are less developed, as a whole, than former Spanish colonies), French enjoys a better reputation in the US than Spanish does. Is there an inherent bias against Spanish? Seems like a lot of Americans have no idea that Spanish is a European language, with its home country bordering France. But, when it comes to French, pretty much even a redneck would probably know French is a European language and France is in Europe.
Probably because French is viewed as a chic language. The language of Paris and high fashion, amazing food, artistic marvels, high class. Aside from English, it's the language of diplomacy. It's also often regarded as the most beautiful language in the world (Italian is a common contender).

Spanish, from an American perspective is the language of Mexico, landscapers, and cleaning staff. Spanish doesn't have the cultural or chic reputation that French has.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:45 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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For one, you are confusing Spanish and Hispanic and two, people do not hold the French in high regard.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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Sadly, these sort of threads bring out the worst expressions of xenophobia and ethnocentrism around.
It's funny that certain posters on C-D cry about Hispanics putting our ethnic group over everyone else, where now we see the same being done in this very thread. Hypocrisy much?
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