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The Supreme Court did a fine job of preserving the Constitution for the first 200 years of this country. Until the rightwing nut jobs like Clarence Thomasas took it over.
- United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892
“Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation”
- United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892
My challenge to you was to find quotes from official government documents of the time, and post them. Such as what I posed, the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli.
You obviously gave it your best shot, and you failed epically.
My challenge to you was to find quotes from official government documents of the time, and post them. Such as what I posed, the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli.
You obviously gave it your best shot, and you failed epically.
As a matter of fact, yes. When it comes from a news source, that claims that global warming is a hoax, despite the fact that almost every scientist in the world disagrees with that contention. I will discredit Fox News links, and laugh at you for falling for them.
Fox News' Credibility At 'Record Low': PPP Poll
The Huffington Post | By Rebecca Shapiro
Posted: 02/06/2013 3:35 pm EST | Updated: 02/06/2013 5:56 pm EST
My challenge to you was to find quotes from official government documents of the time, and post them. Such as what I posed, the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli.
You obviously gave it your best shot, and you failed epically.
Speaking of failing epically, you used a HuffPo piece to attempt to discredit a Fox News piece. That's kind of ironic, since HuffPo is known to be a partisan left-leaning news outlet. It was even started with the stated intention of being left-leaning in order to counter the conservative news aggregators.
On this particular ruling, once the suspect was arrested and held he was no longer an occupant of the residence... kind of by definition, since he was now occupying a jail cell. As long as the person who was still an occupant gave permission, there's no reason for the police to get a warrant.
As far as conservatives being against the Constitution, they aren't any more anti-Constitution than liberals are. The only difference is that conservatives seem to dislike certain parts of the Constitution which the liberals love, and vice versa. Calling conservatives anti-Constitutional while supporting the liberal agenda makes you a hypocrite. Either denounce the liberal attacks on the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, and 10th amendments or stop trying to accuse the other side of something which you are perfectly willing to let your side get away with.
As far as conservatives being against the Constitution, they aren't any more anti-Constitution than liberals are. The only difference is that conservatives seem to dislike certain parts of the Constitution which the liberals love, and vice versa. Calling conservatives anti-Constitutional while supporting the liberal agenda makes you a hypocrite. Either denounce the liberal attacks on the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, and 10th amendments or stop trying to accuse the other side of something which you are perfectly willing to let your side get away with.
You do understand the difference between GOP and true conservatives, who want to uphold the Constitution, still want separation of powers, still want checks and balances, still want a limited government, with specific and enumerated powers, still see our Union as Federalist, which means States should be the ones to control the Federal Govt, and not the other way-around, and so on.
No you are wrong. Keep trying but you can't rewrite history. Nothing about Christianity was ever mentioned by any of the founding fathers, except to say that the United States Government was in no way affiliated with Christianity. .
Um, at the time, the founding fathers had numerous state etablished churches, and we even have a national church in Washignton DC..
Are you blind. There are so many Republicans from Ted Cruz's father to Mike Huckabee who to varying degrees act as though the US was founded based on Christianity and act as though that gives them and their represantatives license to use the state to make it a Christian country and make laws based on Christianity. That is probably the majority of Republicans. Hell in my own state a group of GOP legislators wanted to make Christianity the state religion just last year.
Furthermore prayer sessions before congress is an exception, but every other local body is prohibited from doing it. There is case law behind this.
Well, what would you call it when Christians migrate to the "new world," for the purpose of escaping religious persecution for their faith (Protestant Christianity), settle and colonize, eventually advocate for and win independence, and found a new nation, claiming all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights (atheists don't speak of a "creator"), have openly in their writings and speeches proclaimed their reliance on God, and credited God and given thanks to God for their survival and successes ... would you not say that we were founded by Christians, and that the new government was established based on principles established by their faith, that faith being Christianity?
It looks to me very much like, though we declared freedom of religion, and prohibited the government from establishing an official State Church or religion (as the Church of England was), that our roots were Christian, and therefore it makes perfect sense, and it is right to say our founding principles were based on Christianity. Would they have logically been based on any other religion or no religion at all?
What other religions were prevalent in the Colonies? The vast majority of Colonists were Calvinist (Protestant) Christians. This is historical fact. Acknowledging our history is not advocacy for establishing a State Church.
Further, can you cite in any of the writings of any of the founders where they made specific reference to an intent to establish the new government as a completely secular state, and made a conscious effort to not be influenced by their Christian beliefs in any way shape or form in the writing of the Constitution?
Could you provide a link to anything that confirms your claim that GOP legislators in your state (you didn't say which state) wanted to make Christianity a State Religion?
In Ohio, the State Motto is "With God all things are possible." Does that mean we have established a State Religion?
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