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No, the Jewish baker can call the Nazi a total scumbag and make him a cake that tastes like crap (and perhaps put a little real crap into it).
No, a Muslim market must serve everybody. They can serve what they want.
No shoes, no shirt does not discriminate against anybody.
Sure it can, the homeless for one. Just a thought....
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Originally Posted by FKD19124
Far as I am concerned they are. If my business is not taking tax dollars from the government, it's none of their business to tell me who I can refuse service too.
Think about that statement. Following your statement to it's conclusion you could refuse to serve Blacks,Asians,Mexicans or whatever group displeases you.
That's the problem with sweeping laws like the one proposed, the unintended consequences.
Neither I, nor the person whose post I responded to were talking about marriage! So all you did was create an argument of of whole cloth.
And besides, neither this thread, nor this issue is about marriage, it's about when and if a business can deny products or services to someone for simply being gay. So if you want to talk about gay marriage, find another thread.
If we couldn't sell goods or services to anyone who violated the Torah, my fellow Jewish people wouldn't dominate the jewelry/gold industry... and anyone who's been to NYC knows we do! That rule is not in the Bible, nor does it explicitly condemn homosexuality - the word doesn't even exist in Hebrew, but (some) modern Christians apparently think King James et al wrote the Bible's first edition. Not even close, lol.
As for our nation's "freedom of religion," that mostly just covers our freedom to worship, gather, and openly PRACTICE our religions. I don't consider selling goods to be a religious practice, in fact working or selling anything on the Sabbath is prohibited for observant Jews (and Christians?). You're all free to have a giant cross hanging over the door of your business, and you are also free to pray for a poor sinner's soul... heck, you are even free to quit that job if it "violates" your beliefs. But as long as you are working there, or running a public-serving business, you still have to follow the state's laws. Could you serve spoiled meats to customers if your religion believed it was safer? Or pee in the soup?
I'm a public librarian, and don't even have the right to deny entry to a neo-Nazi. Matter of fact, we had a few at my old library I'd help regularly - with a smile on my face, no less, as they were always very polite and respectful. It's my job, not synagogue, and they have the same rights to use the library as anyone else. Did they make my skin crawl? Absolutely, but my personal feelings do not trump their rights.
Aha! Well that explains something that I was puzzled about. When discussing the Bill here they said it did, among other things, change the Religious Freedom Act to include both the PRACTICE and OBSERVANCE of religion. Now I see how that would be necessary as just PRACTICE would not include overt discrimination against other people as a rule for most religions. Discrimination apparently falls under OBSERVANCE of religion legally speaking.
In the wake of Brewer's veto,Tempe, Arizona passed a non-discrimination ordinance last night that protects gay persons. Tempe is the home of Arizona State University. That makes about 2.5 million Arizonans living in non-discrimination cities now. AZ is one of 29 states where it is legal to fire or otherwise discriminate against gay people on the basis of their being gay. As should be obvious, it will be a while before the conservatives in the state legislature change that, but we are moving forward on a city by city basis.
Far as I am concerned they are. If my business is not taking tax dollars from the government, it's none of their business to tell me who I can refuse service too.
Your Constitution trumps your concerns, does it not?
In the wake of Brewer's veto,Tempe, Arizona passed a non-discrimination ordinance last night that protects gay persons. Tempe is the home of Arizona State University. That makes about 2.5 million Arizonans living in non-discrimination cities now. AZ is one of 29 states where it is legal to fire or otherwise discriminate against gay people on the basis of their being gay. As should be obvious, it will be a while before the conservatives in the state legislature change that, but we are moving forward on a city by city basis.
It doesn't protect just gays, it protects all persons. Do you not see how far reaching and inclusive it is.
She does not speak for all conservatives nor for all gay people.
The only "indoctrination" I see here is the one pushed by certain persons of faith who have convinced the author that they somehow can be "victims" when they open their businesses to people they do not like. Note that the "cake baker" analogy appears in this article! As soon as I saw that I knew what her point was going to be.
She does not speak for all conservatives nor for all gay people.
The only "indoctrination" I see here is the one pushed by certain persons of faith who have convinced the author that they somehow can be "victims" when they open their businesses to people they do not like. Note that the "cake baker" analogy appears in this article! As soon as I saw that I knew what her point was going to be.
I wonder why no uproar was raised against Bill Clinton when he signed a similar law that this law's wording came from?
I mean it's not like the wording is anything new or original right?
What does religion have to do with secular politics?
It determines right from wrong.
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That rule is not in the Bible, nor does it explicitly condemn homosexuality - the word doesn't even exist in Hebrew, but (some) modern Christians apparently think King James et al wrote the Bible's first edition. Not even close, lol.