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Old 03-07-2014, 10:19 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Do you know what the law actually says? or will do?

This law allows me, the right to refuse to do things that violate my religion with out getting penalties; this bill does not mandate discrimination.


In effect, the law 'says' that if you are practicing your religion, you are discriminating. It therefore denies your freedom of religion in the public arena.

 
Old 03-07-2014, 10:39 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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1. Rome killed over a million Jews
2. The country that Hitler killed the highest percentage of Jews was Lithuania, the technology that killed almost all of Lithuania Jews was not that advanced (mostly machine Guns).
3. The fact that your comparing the actions of the Borgia Popes to Hitler shows you know nothing about the subject at hand, Pope Alexander VI was by far the most moral pope in that era
Sure, Rome killed a million Jews - over CENTURIES. Hitler killed 6 times that number in a DECADE. The modern world is far more effective/efficient at dolling out death than the Romans could ever dream off.

Compared to the ancient world you were referring to in your earlier post - the machine gun is VERY ADVANCED. How many guys machine guns would it take to hold off a Roman Legion? Not very damn many. A dozen guys with WWII machines would send a mighty Roman Legion fleeing in panic.

Alexander VI - you mean the "incestuous" Pope? The one infamous for his many affairs? The one who was father to so many illegitimate children that he's the ancestor of virtually ALL of the royal houses of Europe? Is THAT the "moral" Pope you mean? So much for me "not know anything about the subject at hand" Maybe you spend less time hurling insults and more time READING.

Ken

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Old 03-07-2014, 10:40 AM
 
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There was nothing in the bill that mentioned homosexuals. The idea that it was an anti-gay bill was a ruse.
 
Old 03-07-2014, 10:49 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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this verse forbids me to help someone sin. (this law is recorded throughout the entire corpus Jewish legal tradition)



to have a same gender "wedding" inside a Jewish wedding hall would be classified as Chilul Hashem (which also has laws that are recorded )




when God gave the Jewish people the bible he also gave us the interpretation known as the Oral Torah. In order to decide Jewish Law you have to be proficient in these interpretations.

Many Rabbis have publicly declared that even voting for candidates who support gay "rights" are forbidden due to both these verses.

RABBONIM MAINTAIN STANCE: It Is Forbidden to Fund, Support or Vote for Fidler » Matzav.com - The Online Voice of Torah Jewry

some notes in brackets so you understand what's going on (the parentheses are in the original document)

It is therefore considered to be a great chillul Hashem [forbidden by verse 22:32] and assur [means forbidden] according to Torah law to vote for or to provide funding, campaign assistance, public recognition or any type of support to Councilman Lewis Fidler [who supported same gender "marriage"]. To do so would amount to being mesayeia ovrei aveirah (abetting transgression of the Torah’s commandments) [this is intricately connected to the verse 19:14].
Your first two statements are utter nonsense - and simply reflect YOUR opinion/interpretation.
So again, WHO made YOU the "judge" on the issue? Who the hell are YOU to tell ANYONE ELSE how to interpret the Bible, the Torah or any other Holy book.
Is YOUR opinion superior to that of Rabbi Greenberg (who recent oversaw a Gay wedding)? Are YOU a Rabbi?
Yours is just an OPINION - that's it. Same as Greenbergs, same as the other Rabbis who disagree with Greenberg.

Ken
 
Old 03-07-2014, 10:51 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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There was nothing in the bill that mentioned homosexuals. The idea that it was an anti-gay bill was a ruse.
Not according to one of the AUTHORS of the bill. He said outright, it was meant to "protect" businesses from having to serve gays without fear of legal repercussions. THAT is from one of the Bills' AUTHORS so I'm pretty such he knew EXACTLY who it was directed at.

Ken
 
Old 03-07-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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This thread is going nowhere constructive.

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