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Old 02-28-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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Well, yeah, because the initiative shouldn't only be implemented for Blacks. It should target ANY at risk youth of ANY race.
So you don't think that Black-American and Latino boys don't have any challenges that are unique to them?
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:37 AM
 
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So you don't think that Black-American and Latino boys don't have any challenges that are unique to them?
Everyone at risk has challenges that are unique to them. That should come as a surprise to no one.
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:01 PM
 
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But their are issues more unique to Black men and boys.


The Plight of Young, Black Men Is Worse Than You Think - Businessweek
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:30 PM
 
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FALSE.

Here's what I've provided:

Cone's racist statements:

"To be black is to be committed to destroying everything this country loves and adores."
"Black theology will accept only a love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

Religious Revolutionaries: The Rebels who Reshaped American Religion - Robert C. Fuller - Google Books

"If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."
African American Religious Thought: An Anthology - Google Books

Another:
The Gospel According to the Marginalized - Google Books

List the citation footnotes in those publications and prove that they're wrong.

Why are you so hell-bent on defending an established racist?
Neither of your links actually show the footnotes. However, the first link does indicate that the quote comes from the book I've linked. The quote is clearly wrong as you can tell by looking at the book the author claimed to get the quote from.

Here is a link to the actual text.

http://books.google.com/books?id=MwA...ed=0CDoQ6AEwAQ

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us,if God is not against white racists, then God is a murderer, and we had better kill God."

A Black Theology of Liberation - James H. Cone - Google Books

"Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white oppressor."

You don't like Dr. Cone; fine. You think Dr. Cone is a racist, which he is not; fine.

But at least realize that the quotes you are using are false which can be proven by looking at his actual writing.
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:30 PM
 
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But their are issues more unique to Black men and boys.

The Plight of Young, Black Men Is Worse Than You Think - Businessweek
What that article, and every study not done by Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams, doesn't want you to know is that single mother, no father present households are a more accurate statistical predictor of all negative socioeconomic issues than race, and the black racial demographic leads whites in single mother, no father present households by more than 2-1 as percentage of their representative populations.

That article has the typical nonsense suggestions based on ignoring the basic truth of the shattered family structure:
  • Spend more on education
  • Soften the laws/prosecution rules
  • Give more money away
And exactly none of these things, just like Obama's initiative, addresses the actual problems faced by black (minority) youth. How does the government or the private donor "enocurage" education in a home where parents do not, or in the community where the neighbors do not? How does turning a blind eye to "laws that have a disproprotionate number of minority offenders" help encourage better, more responsible behavior?

Success, be it academic, financial, whatever...is achieved always and everywhere with sustained effort, proper behavior, and NOT MAKING OBVIOUS BAD CHOICES, like out of wedlock child birth, divorce, drug/alcohol use, and yes, committing crimes. OK, so you "invest" in education. And this does what to instill a work ethic, perseverance and goal driven ambition into black youth? You make fewer things a crime, or enforce crimes less. OK, this does what to foster proper behavior and good choices?

And of all the supposed ideas/initiatives, why do none of them address the very troubling reality that over 70% of America's black children are born out of wedlock, thus into the number one statistical predictor of troubled, difficult existence? Investing in education and not enforcing crime will stop rewarding young black men to abandon parental responsibility or stop young black women from seeking short term gain via the welfare state and tax code how exactly? And yes, white people do the out of wedlock birth thing too, but these articles that focus on the especially tough world for blacks use percentage of representative population to lament, so I hoist them on that same petard when I accuse them of ducking the real issue of the single mother, no father present household.

And FYI - the reason nobody ever addresses that is because if they did, it may help start solving the problem, but as all available data shows, you put somebody in the home owning, work for a living, middle-upper class, and you have a better than average chance of them voting Republican. So while platitudes get slung around aplenty, nobody in Obama's party including Barry himself, want to solve these black community problems, because if they lose even 20% of the black vote, the Democrats are screwed electorally.

So blame Whitey, throw money at the platitude, exacerbate the problem instead of reducing it, and entrench your most loyal voting bloc as thralls until the end of time. It solves nothing except the problem of how to make sure blacks vote 95% or better for Democrats. No big fan of the GOP given my volobjectitarian status, but how any black person with an IQ higher than Forrest Gump's can vote Democrat when it is so clearly contrary to their self-interests is beyond my ability to comprehend.
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:33 PM
 
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But their are issues more unique to Black men and boys.

The Plight of Young, Black Men Is Worse Than You Think - Businessweek
There are issues and challenges unique to teenage unwed mothers, too. Yet Obama has made no such effort to implement an initiative for them. So not only is Obama racist, he's sexist as well.
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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Neither of your links actually show the footnotes.
Then get the actual books. Go to a library. Request them from another library if your local one doesn't have them.

Until you can prove the MULTIPLE footnoted citations in various published works false, they'll stand.
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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Then get the actual books. Go to a library. Request them from another library if your local one doesn't have them.

Until you can prove the MULTIPLE footnoted citations in various published works false, they'll stand.
Since there seems to be an almost infinite supply of books that quoted Dr. Cone incorrectly then it would be a fruitless exercise. An exercise, which if performed, you would likely deny.

Besides Dr. Cone's original work, there are numerous sources that correctly quote Dr. Cone.
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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Default Obama initiative to help black and hispanic men get on their feet..they can't do it themselves

Obama unveils ‘My Brother’s Keeper,’ opens up about his dad, drugs and race – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

""No excuses. Government, and private sector, and philanthropy, and all the faith communities, we all have a responsibility to help provide you the tools you need. We've got to help you knock down some of the barriers that you experience," he said."


Barriers? What about we Asians who overcome these "barriers" set forth by the evil white man. If he spends tax payer dollars trying to "fix" blacks and hispanic men..I'm done.


"Helping young minority men have the opportunity to get ahead, he said, is an economic as well as a "moral issue.""

Get ahead? Don't you mean catch up?

China's going to take over. They have the Flynn effect and higher IQ. It's over.
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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What barriers?

Wedlock?
High school drop-outs?
Deadbeat dads?
Abortion?
Crime?
Prison?

Minorties statistically lead the way in all of these categories. Can the President's initiative reduce:

Wedlock?
High school drop-outs?
Deadbeat dads?
Abortion?
Crime?
Prison?

Who created these barriers?

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Get ahead? Don't you mean catch up?
Exactly right!
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