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Actually, no. There are records in the Catholic Church of marriages between same-sex people. While the state's interest in unions is essentially financial, and so states have little reason to maintain records of same-sex marriages in historic times, the idea that marriage was always between a man and a woman is based on the state's records. When people married one another in ancient times, but the state had no responsibilities or interests in the marriage, there simply weren't any state records of those marriages. The marriages of peasants and serfs were rarely recorded, for instance. And in non-European cultures, who knows what kind of marriages existed?
Never heard this and won't believe it until I see proof.
And if by chance it is true, it must have been so few or they were not recognized as marriages by society.
Until recently, women couldn't vote or own property.
What's your point?
My point was he said that marriage wasn't originally between a man and woman and I said up until recently it was. I wasn't commenting on whether it was wrong or right so don't get your panties in a bunch.
Never heard this and won't believe it until I see proof.
And if by chance it is true, it must have been so few or they were not recognized as marriages by society.
Your problem is that you think that society has always prohibited homosexuality. When, in fact, there were no such prohibitions for the bulk of human history. The word, homosexuality, didn't even exist until Freud coined it in the late 19th century. SEX was SEX. Period.
Your problem is that you think that society has always prohibited homosexuality. When, in fact, there were no such prohibitions for the bulk of human history. The word, homosexuality, didn't even exist until Freud coined it in the late 19th century. SEX was SEX. Period.
The word didn't exist but it was definitely frowned upon. Again, not saying its wrong or right but lets not kid ourselves and think that this was socially accepted behavior up unitl recently because if it was, homosexuals wouldn't be going through what they are going through now with respect to being accepted.
Actually, the term "fetus" is nothing more than a word used to describe an infant still in the womb. It is called a "fetus" right up until the time of birth.
The word didn't exist but it was definitely frowned upon. Again, not saying its wrong or right but lets not kid ourselves and think that this was socially accepted behavior up unitl recently because if it was, homosexuals wouldn't be going through what they are going through now with respect to being accepted.
It wasn't frowned upon by the Greeks. It wasn't frowned upon by the Romans. It wasn't frowned upon by the Egyptians, Sumerians, Persians.
For the bulk of human history, homosexuality was just considered SEX. And human beings have SEX.
And even the early Catholic Church saw it that way. The change in attitudes reflects the change in the status of the Catholic Church, as it became increasingly intertwined with government in the European nations, and government took a greater interest in marriages because they were PROPERTY CONTRACTS.
It wasn't frowned upon by the Greeks. It wasn't frowned upon by the Romans. It wasn't frowned upon by the Egyptians, Sumerians, Persians.
For the bulk of human history, homosexuality was just considered SEX. And human beings have SEX.
And even the early Catholic Church saw it that way. The change in attitudes reflects the change in the status of the Catholic Church, as it became increasingly intertwined with government in the European nations, and government took a greater interest in marriages because they were PROPERTY CONTRACTS.
Actually it was frowned upon in those societies...even the Roman society who had a lot of gays. But the societies as a whole still frowned upon them ESPECIALLY if you took the submissive role.
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