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Originally Posted by cruxan
got to be cheaper than arresting prosecuting and jailing and ruining lives over a drug that is ten times less harmful that that LEGAL CONCOCTION ALCOHOL  |
We're not discussing alcohol, but thanks for trying to derail the thread just the same.
I'm not exactly seeing how a spiral fracture on a small child with 4 years caused by an adult stoned on marihuana is any different than that caused by an adult on alcohol, or any other drug.
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Originally Posted by Gtownoe
DUI laws were created to combat alcohol use while driving. It wasn't because of an epidemic of stoners killing tens of thousands of people. People have been smoking and driving since the automobile was invented.
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Actually they were DWI laws. DUI was a lesser charge, as was Impaired Driving. States typically set limits for Driving While Intoxicated somewhere between 0.10 and 0.15 BAT. Driving Under the Influence was a lesser charge typically at 0.08 to 0.10 BAT depending on the State in question.
Impaired Driving was a "catch-all" designed to make up for the fact that blood screens were very expensive.
Then the national-centralized-government-masquerading-as-a-federal-government ordered all States to set the legal limit at 0.08 BAT and it's characterized as the vague and nebulous Driving Under the "Influence."
I used to give seminars to attorneys on everything from the initial traffic stop to the science behind it.
Claiming that someone is "under the influence" at 0.08 BAT is scientific heresy, and that's the issue to attack.
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Originally Posted by Gtownoe
Which kills more people? Driving while stoned or distracted driving? Using that logic, which should have a stiffer sentence??
Makes perfect sense to me.
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That's illogical.
H2O kills more people than H2O2. By your reasoning, all swimming pools should be filled with Hydrogen Peroxide, instead of Water.
What is the result here?
Well, someone dies or is injured and/or someone suffers financial loss through property damage.
What's the cause? Negligence.
Whether someone was texting, sexting or under the influence of alcohol or drugs is not really relevant, since those are all negligent acts.
No such thing as "degrees" or percentage of negligence. That's a legal concept applying to multiple parties. Drunk female tenant is escorted from her car to her apartment at the apartment complex by security guard, who then gets the pass-key from the office, returns to her apartment and rapes her.
Civil defendants are property owners, property managers, employer and former-employer named as 3rd Party Defendant by employer and property managers. Texas jury awards multi-Million dollar damages:
0% Property Owners
10% Property Managers for poor key control
10% Employer for failing to advise Property Manager client of poor key control
80% Former Employer for providing dates of employment only; for refusing to reveal termination was involuntary; and refusing to reveal security guard was terminated on evidence of theft and rape (using the same
Modus Operandi), since there is no law barring disclosure of employment records.
Aside from that, negligence is negligence and all acts are equally negligent.
Unless it's a matter of criminal negligence, in which case a criminally negligent act carries more weight than standard negligence.
Texting was negligence until it was criminalized, at which point it became a criminally negligent act.
Texting is no more nor less negligent than driving under the influence, unless the State's laws classify texting as a misdemeanor offense.
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Originally Posted by Gtownoe
Your completely off the wall with your last comment. Your scared of a plant that's been used medicinally, spiritually, and recreationally for thousands of years. That's loony.
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People have been murdered for thousands of years for medicinal, spiritual and recreational reasons, but that doesn't mean we should legalize murder.
And it's easy for you to say, since you've never had to clean up the mess.
You've never had to escort a social worker to an home to remove neglected children from a bunch of pot heads who are stoned 24/7.
You've never had to jump on a fork-lift and back the tine out of some guy's head, because the fork-lift operator was stoned, driving around with the forks up against company safety policy -- because he was stoned and didn't realize it -- and crushed some guy's skull.
It's bad enough I have to buy beer and lotto tickets and cable and cell-phone and internet for turds, and now I have to buy their weed, too?
Not pleased at all....
Mircea
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