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Old 03-01-2014, 09:33 PM
 
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I'm also curious as to why loser libs are claiming conservatives want to become involved in the Ukraine. That's the last thing our country needs to be doing. If anything, I wish we would stay the heck out of other nation's affairs. Obama is making himself look like an ass when he talks tough, but does not back it up. Even worse, he is making our country look weak and foolish. Putin will probably find new ways in the future to egg Obama on, just so he can make him, and our country, look weaker. It's bad enough that people abroad associate Obama with America...

What do you want, then? If you want our government to shut up and stay completely out of this, I'm on the same page with you. But then again I wonder if you said the same when Bush criticized Russia for invading South Ossetia.
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Old 03-01-2014, 09:35 PM
 
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I don't know. All loonies look the same to me. And they're criticizing Obama for not going into Ukraine.

Or are you going to tell us that conservatives will criticize Obama regardless of what he does?
I haven't seen or heard any criticism for not going into Ukraine.
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Old 03-01-2014, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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What do you want, then? If you want our government to shut up and stay completely out of this, I'm on the same page with you. But then again I wonder if you said the same when Bush criticized Russia for invading South Ossetia.
I was not a supporter of Bush either, and criticized him often. I have always felt that it is not our nation's responsibility or purpose to police the world, and quite frankly, we've had far too many missteps to continue. Furthermore, I am not shackled by party lines. An incompetent leader is an incompetent leader, no matter what political sphere they come from.
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Old 03-01-2014, 09:42 PM
 
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I was not a supporter of Bush either, and criticized him often. I have always felt that it is not our nation's responsibility or purpose to police the world, and quite frankly, we've had far too many missteps to continue. Furthermore, I am not shackled by party lines. An incompetent leader is an incompetent leader, no matter what political sphere they come from.
Obama's symbolic gesture to condemn Russia while planning to actually do nothing about it (like Bush's) should not be the end of the world to you then. I would love it if he said nothing, but it's just not politically feasible. It has always been a penis measuring contest between the U.S. and Russia, as stupid as that is.
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Old 03-01-2014, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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It has always been a penis measuring contest between the U.S. and Russia, as stupid as that is.
And right now, Russia is proving to be the well hung superior...
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Old 03-01-2014, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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I don't know. All loonies look the same to me. And they're criticizing Obama for not going into Ukraine.

Or are you going to tell us that conservatives will criticize Obama regardless of what he does?
No. Wrong again. What is being criticized is that O said anything at all. He should have shut his trap. He already looked like an idiot with Syria, now he's going to open his mouth and make a threat again.....and then what? Do absolutely nothing like he did with Syria. Of course Putin is laughing at him. THAT is what is being criticized.
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Old 03-01-2014, 10:07 PM
 
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No. Wrong again. What is being criticized is that O said anything at all. He should have shut his trap. He already looked like an idiot with Syria, now he's going to open his mouth and make a threat again.....and then what? Do absolutely nothing like he did with Syria. Of course Putin is laughing at him. THAT is what is being criticized.

Anti-Russian sentiment is at a high after these Olympics. He had to say something.
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Old 03-01-2014, 10:09 PM
 
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No. Wrong again. What is being criticized is that O said anything at all. He should have shut his trap. He already looked like an idiot with Syria, now he's going to open his mouth and make a threat again.....and then what? Do absolutely nothing like he did with Syria. Of course Putin is laughing at him. THAT is what is being criticized.
I agree with this.
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Old 03-01-2014, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Anti-Russian sentiment is at a high after these Olympics. He had to say something.
For what? To make liberals feel better? Look how well his "fighting words" went down:

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...U.S. President Barack Obama and Russia’s Putin spoke for 90 minutes on the telephone without apparently resolving anything.

Russian notes released after that conversation made it ominously clear that Russia reserved the right to send a larger force into eastern Ukraine, where there was bloody fighting today between pro-European and pro-Russian activists...

...Ignoring Obama and many other western leaders, Putin formally asked parliament Saturday for permission to use “the armed forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine pending the normalization of the sociopolitical situation in that country.”

Despite Washington’s deep concern over developments in Ukraine, it was not obvious what it can do to change the situation there, short of sending troops.

As Russia is a nuclear power and has tens of thousands of troops based near the Ukrainian border, the possibility of any U.S. or NATO military action is deemed extremely unlikely...
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...172/story.html

So why say anything at all? It just makes him look like one of those parents who threaten their kid with a grounding and then never follow through on it. Kids have no respect for parents who don't follow through, and world leaders don't have respect for others who don't follow through.

It was an empty threat, and it just made the US look stupid.
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Old 03-01-2014, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Maybe you could tell us how World War l started. I forgot my history.
Well, there were some Serbs living in the Austrian-Hungarian empire who were really mad at their hosts, and one of them decided to kill the new Archduke.

A-H blamed Serbia for the assassination and declared war.

Due to a bunch of "I got your back" agreements made over several years, eventually all of Europe got into the act, and a lot more people got killed.

Then the U.S. doughboys came over and put a stop to the silly fighting.

Then the big powers in Europe decided to punish the nation that had the least to do with the origin of the hostilities, and Germany fell into economic depression, allowing a charismatic old soldier named Adolf to take over and impose his madness on the rest of the world.

You should know the rest.

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