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Old 02-28-2014, 05:00 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Gurbie View Post
Here come McCain, right on schedule: "We're all Ukrainians now"

McCain: 'We Are All Ukrainians'

Uh, no we're not, John. Any more than we were "all Georgians" in '08.

THANK GOD Obama is our president. I'd be scared $&@$less right now if it was a Republican neocon.
LOL.............Old Juan needs to be put out to pasture. You must realize the prez is a puppet........Juan would be doing the same thing the dear leader is doing right now.

 
Old 02-28-2014, 05:01 PM
 
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He didn't!

Well, he did say we are all Georgians back in 2008 as well, so he is consistent in his belligerency. I wonder how many wars we would be in around the world had McCain won.
Well how many have we been in since the great leader took office? I know the great leader can do no wrong but realize we fight for the dollar and that is that.
 
Old 02-28-2014, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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What would you risk it over?
Not who rules Ukraine, that's for damn sure!
 
Old 02-28-2014, 05:09 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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That whole mess is the West's fault. Why should there be any alliance between the Ukraine and the EU?! Why does the West have to expand Nato into Russia's front garden like that? The inclusion of Poland was already an aggression against Russia. If the Ukraine were not such an inherent mess, it could do business with all its neighbors and do well, as a neutral country. The West should not even attempt to establish any affiliation or whatever with the Ukraine and other such countries in Russia's front garden. When they know that, they won't be torn between East and West in the first place.
The Ukraine's problem is that it is a deeply split country with lots of corrupt politicians on both sides. Tymoshenko also has a rather dubious past. It is a bit like Nigeria, which is also deeply split for historic reasons and thus a ticking time bomb.
 
Old 02-28-2014, 05:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian View Post
Uhm...Obama is the most feckless foreign policy President since Carter. His normal MO is:
  1. make official statement
  2. make second statement, add "outraged" and some harsh tone
  3. make third statement about community of nations, let me be clear
  4. make saber rattling statement about what the US is prepared to do if...
  5. make soft ultimatum statement
  6. make veiled, vague, confusing second ultimatum
  7. get ignored by Putin who considers Obama the total joke that he is
  8. make clarification about what you meant, which really wasn't an ultimatum so much as a pronouncement on behalf of international good will
  9. wait for Putin to do whatever he pleases
  10. declare diplomatic victory because no Americans were involved
There you go, Obama diplomacy 101, covers virtually every single he's done in regards to Putin or any other international strongman since he took office.
Because Putin and the other strongmen you mentioned haven't really done anything worth fighting against. Yet. No point in fighting unless we absolutely have to. Would you rather Obama throw us into even more conflicts and even more debt? He's already busy cleaning up after the last guy in military matters.
 
Old 02-28-2014, 05:11 PM
 
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What would YOU do to stop Putin?
Put a huge military presence in and around the Ukraine. At the invitation of the Ukraine.

Putin only respects action, not rhetoric.
 
Old 02-28-2014, 05:12 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Ukraine is an independent country only on paper the Russian bear does not let its prey loose easily
 
Old 02-28-2014, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Not much to be done. Ukraine is of little stragic interest and Obama has already been out maneuvered on Syria by Russia., The Crimea will be returned to the Russian fold as Catherine the Great wanted.
 
Old 02-28-2014, 05:18 PM
 
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Not who rules Ukraine, that's for damn sure!
That wasn't the question.

What would you risk nuclear war for?
 
Old 02-28-2014, 05:20 PM
 
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That whole mess is the West's fault. Why should there be any alliance between the Ukraine and the EU?! Why does the West have to expand Nato into Russia's front garden like that? The inclusion of Poland was already an aggression against Russia. If the Ukraine were not such an inherent mess, it could do business with all its neighbors and do well, as a neutral country. The West should not even attempt to establish any affiliation or whatever with the Ukraine and other such countries in Russia's front garden. When they know that, they won't be torn between East and West in the first place.
The Ukraine's problem is that it is a deeply split country with lots of corrupt politicians on both sides. Tymoshenko also has a rather dubious past. It is a bit like Nigeria, which is also deeply split for historic reasons and thus a ticking time bomb.
The whole thing is Russia's fault. Why should there be any alliance between Russia and Ukraine? Why does Russia have to expand its influence into NATO's front door like that?

Notice how your question is equally dumb, no matter what names you insert?
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