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Old 03-04-2014, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by jimj View Post
Well, we have a missile shield that was shut down to appease Russia, we have a red line that was crossed and sand kicked in the face of our president,we've got a foreign policy that's seen as very weak and feckless, more concerned with being seen as anti-Bush than with actually dealing with the world problems.
Did Congress work with WH on Syria, or did they do everything in their power to undermine the US position? They undermined. This is my whole point, and the very reason US appears weak. We are unable to work together on anything, and Putin knows it, and he loves it.


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This was all starting up DURING the Olympics and should have been seen but maybe we were too busy piling a love fest on the host country (think $$$$$$) to admit something stank? Or maybe Obama figured Putin would be more "flexible" now that the election is over and Obama has been flexible (bent over) for him?
What kind of involvement do you you think US should have taken when people in Kiev started to protest during the Olympics? Should US always get involved when people in other countries protest? I hope you are kidding.

 
Old 03-04-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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Why isn't the condemnation of Putin for his invasion of sovereign countries first and foremost, when did we become a country where politics is more important than national unity. Seems like many politicians would rather compliment Putin than support our own country.

I could not imagine this level of support for Khrushchev or Gorbachev.

Putin invaded Georgia in 2008, I don't hold Bush responsible because he had no control, why is Obama to blame for current affairs.
Exactly.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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UN sanctions? Russia has veto power. So does China, Putin's new BFF.

UK sanctions? Doubtful.

US sanctions? Do you think Obama will convince Harry Reid to draft sanctions?

Also, what is this deal you think America 'needs?'
The UK and EU want to try and sort this out diplomatically, as sanctions could hurt other countries as much as Russia itself. Russia being the third largest oil producer in the world, as well as supplying over one third of gas to Europe and Russian money is very important in terms of London's financial industry.

Furthermore the global markets seem to be punishing Russia more than any sanctions, with the Russian stock market being badly hit and the rouble being devalued further.

Ukraine crisis: sanctions won't worry Vladimir Putin - Telegraph

Putin has also changed his tune somewhat and is now saying there is no need for Russian troops in Ukraine but he reserves the right to protect the Russian population in the East of the country if need be.

BBC News - Putin: Russia force only 'last resort' in Ukraine

Hopefully through negotiations Ukraine can decide it's own future and Crimea and the East of the country can decide if they wish to separate. There is certainly no need for any military action by any party involved.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Putin is playing a bluff and only the predictable dupes like McCain, Graham, etal., fell for it. Putin was hoping that the Ukraine Military in Crimea would react with force, they didn't.... alas, putin it to Putin. Boy, are we lucky the 2008 election didn't put McCain/Palin in the WH.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The UK and EU want to try and sort this out diplomatically, as sanctions could hurt other countries as much as Russia itself. Russia being the third largest oil producer in the world, as well as supplying over one third of gas to Europe and Russian money is very important in terms of London's financial industry.

Furthermore the global markets seem to be punishing Russia more than any sanctions, with the Russian stock market being badly hit and the rouble being devalued further.

Ukraine crisis: sanctions won't worry Vladimir Putin - Telegraph

Putin has also changed his tune somewhat and is now saying there is no need for Russian troops in Ukraine but he reserves the right to protect the Russian population in the East of the country if need be.

BBC News - Putin: Russia force only 'last resort' in Ukraine

Hopefully through negotiations Ukraine can decide it's own future and Crimea and the East of the country can decide if they wish to separate. There is certainly no need for any military action by any party involved.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Kerry is on his way to give the new government $1 billion in "aid".
It's actually a loan.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The UK and EU want to try and sort this out diplomatically, as sanctions could hurt other countries as much as Russia itself. Russia being the third largest oil producer in the world, as well as supplying over one third of gas to Europe and Russian money is very important in terms of London's financial industry.

Furthermore the global markets seem to be punishing Russia more than any sanctions, with the Russian stock market being badly hit and the rouble being devalued further.

Ukraine crisis: sanctions won't worry Vladimir Putin - Telegraph

Putin has also changed his tune somewhat and is now saying there is no need for Russian troops in Ukraine but he reserves the right to protect the Russian population in the East of the country if need be.

BBC News - Putin: Russia force only 'last resort' in Ukraine

Hopefully through negotiations Ukraine can decide it's own future and Crimea and the East of the country can decide if they wish to separate. There is certainly no need for any military action by any party involved.
I've read the same.

The US has nothing to lose with sanctions but the EU does.
Let's see if the EU pushes back.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I keep asking you, and you keep avoiding the answer: If Putin does not care about what his people think, then why is he running a massive propaganda campaign in Russia to sway public opinion to support the war?

Putin knows the real weakness of America is the US Congress refusing to work with the White House no matter what happens on the international stage. All the Congress men will do is go on CNN or FOX to talk about how weak America is. Yes, their comments make us look weak as hell. I don't know what they would do if US was under attack. Would they work together, or would they go on TV to talk about how weak America is? What's more important, the US, or the elections? Sure seems the US is talking the back seat and elections is taking the front seat.
Compare that to Russia's parliament that backed Putin's Great Adventure wholeheartedly. Most of the democratic world has parliamentary government. It must really seem odd to them, a sign of imminent collapse, when our politicians in the Republican party run to the first microphone they can find to denounce our president on every development. I don't remember it being this way years ago. Unfortunately this new trend of putting party over country is likely to continue because it shows results in the polls. You have to wonder what the cost will be to us in the end though.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Putin has also changed his tune somewhat and is now saying there is no need for Russian troops in Ukraine but he reserves the right to protect the Russian population in the East of the country if need be.

BBC News - Putin: Russia force only 'last resort' in Ukraine

Hopefully through negotiations Ukraine can decide it's own future and Crimea and the East of the country can decide if they wish to separate. There is certainly no need for any military action by any party involved.
He is backing down, while trying to save face while doing it. Looks like the world markets appreciate the news. DOW jumped 170 points this morning.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 07:49 AM
 
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As I've said since the beginning, there are many alternatives other than the 2 extremes, which are (1) do absolutely nothing and (2) send in troops. Conservatives seem to have trouble understanding that much of reality exist in a spectrum, not the extremes.

I for one am glad the Obama administration didn't send in troops. I'm also glad he didn't do nothing either. He is attempting to defuse the situation without a military confrontation or ignore the situation completely.

Had McCain or Romney been elected, I fear for what might have happened with their war-mongering ideologies.
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