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Old 03-02-2014, 10:56 AM
 
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It should be a formula based on questionnaires that determine how much profit you get to keep

Businesses will know how much that amount is once they start doing business so they can plan around it.
So once they reach that limit, they will stop producing.. What a fantastic plan..

About all of this nonsense I could take

 
Old 03-02-2014, 10:58 AM
 
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Under true socialism, we say

"Hang on a minute".

One guy is producing a product that could change the world for thousands of years to come. "Producing a piece of complex art based on 50,000 volumes of research dating all the way back to 1400 BC Egyptian scrolls" that people just stupidly don't care about and don't buy.

Another guy, Justin Bieber, just sings a top 40 song and gets a year of fame and sells a gazillion records.

Under capitalism, Bieber was more successful

Under socialism we ackknowledge that the other guy created something undervalued by today's masses that could save future generations for thousands of years
Under socialism, the politicians decide what will most likely earn them votes for the next election. Usually, that's taking from the minority to give to a majority, and whatever that is, that's what they'll do.

When it doesn't work, they blame on the recalcitrance of the "other guy" and make promises of bigger and larger benefits in exchange for their votes.

Under free markets and capitalism, people create ideas and attempt to sell them to the public. Some succeed, some fail. The more cost the government imposes, the fewer ideas succeed.

Some ideas and some ventures will be short term vision, some will be long term vision. Those with short term vision will fail soon, those with long term vision may last or fail.

In contrast... nothing is ever done well under socialism, some things are done well under free markets and capitalism.

Given that forced mediocrity or failure happens at the behest of politicians, and no forced success has ever happened, to anyone, anywhere, your chances are best with freedom, capitalism, and free markets.

But given that socialists punish hard work and true value by rewarding political benefit at the expense of real benefit, it is simply not possible for a socialist society to be anything BUT the definition of the Darwin Effect.
 
Old 03-02-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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Why not it worked for the soviet union what can possibly go wrong?
Yeah, I'll never forget hiring a programmer from Moldova, and as payment, I shipped him 10 lbs, of peanut butter because they've never had any..

I guess the OP's plan has no flaws provided you dont want basic goods like peanut butter. Didnt Cuba just run out of toilet paper.. yeah, the OP can wipe his ass with his hands...
 
Old 03-02-2014, 11:06 AM
 
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Yeah, I'll never forget hiring a programmer from Moldova, and as payment, I shipped him 10 lbs, of peanut butter because they've never had any..

I guess the OP's plan has no flaws provided you dont want basic goods like peanut butter. Didnt Cuba just run out of toilet paper.. yeah, the OP can wipe his ass with his hands...
The most basic lessons of economics pertain to supply and demand. These two are integral:

The more you subsidize something the more of it you will get.
The more you penalize something, the less of it you will get.
 
Old 03-02-2014, 11:08 AM
 
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The most basic lessons of economics pertain to supply and demand. These two are integral:

The more you subsidize something the more of it you will get.
The more you penalize something, the less of it you will get.
That's why libs wanna tax incomes
 
Old 03-02-2014, 11:09 AM
 
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You are not treating people equal in their capabilities because you encourage individuals to not meet their expectations by meeting needs they otherwise would be able to go out and obtain..

Thats like saying we shouldnt allow everyone to have a BMW because a Volkswagon meets the capabilities and needs..
If the needs are met by the Volkswagen, then taxes for both BMW and Volkswagen should be higher and made equal to each other.
If the industry's capabilities are no longer meeting needs, then their taxes should get hiked so their exchange value is put in check
 
Old 03-02-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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We need to tax things that are not good for us as a whole as a community

And remove taxes from things we agree as a society we need more of


Then with the new tax system that sets rates by converting exchange values to use values, let people work and make money the same as now
 
Old 03-02-2014, 11:13 AM
 
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That's why libs wanna tax incomes
I say tax every one 100% and watch how fast people stop going to work .
 
Old 03-02-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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We need to tax things that are not good for us as a whole as a community

And remove taxes from things we agree as a society we need more of


Then with the new tax system that sets rates by converting exchange values to use values, let people work and make money the same as now
Who is so smart that they can do this?

And, why should individual choice be squashed?
 
Old 03-02-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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Under socialism, the politicians decide what will most likely earn them votes for the next election. Usually, that's taking from the minority to give to a majority, and whatever that is, that's what they'll do.

When it doesn't work, they blame on the recalcitrance of the "other guy" and make promises of bigger and larger benefits in exchange for their votes.

Under free markets and capitalism, people create ideas and attempt to sell them to the public. Some succeed, some fail. The more cost the government imposes, the fewer ideas succeed.

Some ideas and some ventures will be short term vision, some will be long term vision. Those with short term vision will fail soon, those with long term vision may last or fail.

In contrast... nothing is ever done well under socialism, some things are done well under free markets and capitalism.

Given that forced mediocrity or failure happens at the behest of politicians, and no forced success has ever happened, to anyone, anywhere, your chances are best with freedom, capitalism, and free markets.

But given that socialists punish hard work and true value by rewarding political benefit at the expense of real benefit, it is simply not possible for a socialist society to be anything BUT the definition of the Darwin Effect.
We need objective principles to determine which types of goods and services are useful for society.

Using those principles much like a constitutional framework, we can set formulated tax rates industry by industry so that the tax system enables exchange value revenues to be transformed into use value system.

So you would get taxed very little if you made something scientifically remarkable that is not well marketed, but taxed a ton if you sold internet pornography for a lot of money.

In all cases, tax rates would range no greater than say 65% and so you can still make uncapped profits by increasing units sold.
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