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Nobody is talking here about not allowing gays to buy a cake but about making a custom cake with specific inscriptions.
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Originally Posted by TheDragonslayer
No it is not. The prostitute is in control of her/his body. The baker just bakes a cake, the same cake he bakes for anyone. He is not involved in the eating of it, just the making of it. Big difference between ones body and a product. Stupid thread started by another gay hater. All of them lately are by gay haters who obsess about gay people, sounds like you have a big problem.
Nobody is talking here about not allowing gays to buy a cake but about making a custom cake with specific inscriptions.
Where did you get this idea about 'specific inscriptions'? None of the bakery cases involved toppers or inscriptions. The bakers refused the order as soon as they realised the couples were gay or lesbian.
there is a difference between your home and your business.. a business has a business license and is bound by the laws of commerce of that state/city…If you're in the wedding business... and if you're really in business to make money(which is the point) then you just got a huge new market share without having to lift a finger…
It's like being a pharmacist that disagrees with the morning after pill.. do you have a right to deny customers that product because you disagree with it morally??? absolutely not… if you don't like the parameters of your business/or employment.. it is your prerogative to find other employment/business.. and not dictate your principles upon the customer base by directly influencing their access to commerce…in other words.. YOU need to find another job/career..
there is a difference between your home and your business.. a business has a business license and is bound by the laws of commerce of that state/city…If you're in the wedding business... and if you're really in business to make money(which is the point) then you just got a huge new market share without having to lift a finger…
It's like being a pharmacist that disagrees with the morning after pill.. do you have a right to deny customers that product because you disagree with it morally??? absolutely not… if you don't like the parameters of your business/or employment.. it is your prerogative to find other employment/business.. and not dictate your principles upon the customer base by directly influencing their access to commerce…in other words.. YOU need to find another job/career..
people can figure out ways around things as simple as this .
Bakers are not participants in weddings. They do not give away the bride, officiate, sign the marriage license, or even ATTEND the wedding. They are there to deliver a cake, then leave. Generally they deliver the cake to the reception hall while the wedding is taking place elsewhere, so they never even see the couple at the wedding or reception.
If baking and delivering cakes is against your religion, don't open a bakery.
I don't know, how would it be? Perhaps because you hate freckles...? Do you?
But oh gawd, really dumb analogy.
No one is "chucking out" homosexuals from the bakery. They have every right in the world to enter it; to order a cup-cake or cookies or candy or a full wedding cake, if they want.
I know this might be hard for you to use simple common-sense, salted with a bit of appreciation of what freedom actually means...but ALL the owners did was refuse to adorn the cake with a "same-sex" couple model. Nothing more than that.
All this amounts to is the "Gay Lobby" intentionally picking a stupid-a$$ed fight for no reason other than to advance their own agenda. What a bunch of cry-babies...
But ok, so why couldn't this "couple" just find another bakery? Did they not exist? You know the answer as well as I do....
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Originally Posted by TexasReb
No, YOU are the one who needs to get your facts straight. To wit:
The homosexual "couple" were not denied entry at all. That is just stupid to say otherwise...and also destroys any possible connection to the old "Jim Crow" laws.
Now then? I will concede that you are correct -- or sorts in an extremely narrow rubric -- in that the owners said they could "not buy a cake".
Uhhhh, but that only tells a part of the story. The "couple" were free to enter and to order or buy anything at all within the shop. Am I wrong on that?
Where the line was drawn was that the owners refused to make a custom-made cake -- much less atoping it with a same-sex model -- that violated their own moral/religious values.
Face it, all this activist "couple" did, was go in for the sole purpose of picking a fight and find an excuse to file a lawsuit. What a bunch of whiney crybabies.
Anyway, I am going to sign off for the night and re-join tomorrow, or whatever. But just want to leave it with an answer to what was asked earlier by someone as to how "gay marriage" affects me, personally?
Welllll, the answer to that is that all thru history marriage has been defined as between a man and woman; from the most primitive to most advanced societies. If nothing else, it is because only a man and woman can reproduce, and it provides very needed balance in that realm. Never did nature say one thing and wisdom another....
But to go back to answer? It doesn't really affect all that much...on a superficially level. It DOES affect on how it destroys -- on a fundamental level -- one of the many interwoven standards of what holds any given society together. And now it will affect my grandchildren and the future of this country.
That is, a shared sense of social morays and values is the only thing that holds a society together. Moral anarchy is a recipe for disaster...
But ok...time for a bacon-sandwich! LOL Have a good evening, everyone!
Yes you are wrong, the couple was denied a wedding cake.
The couple went into the bakery to buy a wedding cake, because they liked a cake from that shop that was at one of their mothers wedding. They CHOSE that shop based on previous experience there, not to make a political point. They did not "pick a fight" they tried to order a cake, and were denied that cake based on their sexual orientation which is against the law in that state. How is saying "I would like to order a cake" picking a fight in a bakery? BTW, the couple in question did not file a lawsuit, the STATE did, because the bakery was in violation of state law.
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really dumb analogy.