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View Poll Results: Do you support a referendum in the Crimea in regards to whether it should be a part of Russia or Ukr
Yes 8 88.89%
No 1 11.11%
Voters: 9. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-03-2014, 05:19 PM
 
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I voted Yes because I am at least generally a supporter of national self-determination.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:20 PM
 
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For the record, the end of this poll is supposed to say "... Russia or Ukraine?"
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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The problem with referendums is that they can easily be manipulated, especially when a massively corrupt autocrat like Putin is involved. It would be a charade, with the side in favor of remaining a part of Ukraine completely shut out of media, campaigning etc.

The other problem with this specific referendum is that it would encourage the minority Russian populations in Kharkov, Donetsk, and other eastern cities to demand a vote too.

But I voted "yes" anyway, because it's probably the least bad way out of the impasse under the circumstances.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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1. The problem with referendums is that they can easily be manipulated, especially when a massively corrupt autocrat like Putin thinks his authority and prestige are at stake.

2. The other problem with this specific referendum is that it would encourage the minority Russian populations in Kharkov, Donetsk, and other eastern cities to demand a vote too.

3. But I voted "yes" anyway, because it's probably the least bad way out of the impasse under the circumstances.
1. So how about we have neutral international observers monitor this referendum?

2. Maybe, and I see no problem with this as well if the borders for such referendums can clearly be drawn.

3. Yes, you might very well be correct in regards to this.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:53 PM
 
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And for the record (while I don't think that this will happen in a very long time, if ever), I also support holding referendums in areas such as Chechnya (in regards to them being a part of Russia or becoming independent) once there is less extremism and terrorism in these areas.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:53 PM
 
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3. Yes, you might very well be correct in regards to this.
Well, I'm certainly no foreign-policy expert -- unlike the Senior European Affairs Analysts in this forum who are quivering and frothing with rage against Obama for doing exactly what they think the US should be doing, i.e. nothing.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:55 PM
 
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Didn't answer the poll because I can't really agree with yes or no.

On the one hand, you can make the argument that the Russian regions of Eastern Ukraine should have a say in which country to be a part of if both nations are willing to have them. On the other hand, the Russians specifically grabbing just Crimea right now is all about military and geopolitical power (Russia's major black seas naval port is there), not about letting the citizens decide which country they want to live in.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:55 PM
 
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Frankly it would be like asking the major in west what they want. That time is long gone since gone' they had elections and now a coup. Russia of course would want the region to have choice to stay or go .Likely like Georgia before that will be outcome: IMO.
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:03 PM
 
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I support a referendum that votes on splitting the country into eastern and western parts and lets each province decide if it wants to be
- part of an independent eastern Ukrainian country
- part of an independent western Ukrainian country
- part of Russia
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