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So under Obama we have increased the "raping" of our lands. Is that what you voted for?
It's deep coal mining. Less environmental damaging then the strip mining which was being done. FYI the strip mining coal that coal mining companies want to do doesn't get them that much coal compared to the deep mining which is long term mining.
It's deep coal mining. Less environmental damaging then the strip mining which was being done. FYI the strip mining coal that coal mining companies want to do doesn't get them that much coal compared to the deep mining which is long term mining.
The only time a third party had a chance was back in the days of the Bull Moose Party which also went by the name of the Progressive Party. They had a chance because Teddy Roosevelt a former President became one of them and the Bull Moose Party was the strongest third party in history. Know how well the Bull Moose did when 200 of it's candidates ran for seats in the house in 1912? Nine of them won. 21 ran for state gov. None won. 250 were elected to various local offices.
Know what happened when Teddy left? The bull moose party didn't win a single election.
Third parties are a joke vote. Out of a 1000 third party candidates not a single one will get more then a 100 votes in an election while their opponents will get hundreds of thousands of votes.
I love that name, Bull Moose Party, someone should bring it back and it should be run by bearded and mustache men. Actually I would have been a big supporter of the Bull Moose Party back in the day.
Then why all the gnashing of teeth over the "Tea Party"?
And it can be argued that Perot, Buchannon and Nader all had an influence on our elections.
The Tea Party is a division of the Republican Party, not a separate party, and what bothers me about the Tea Party is the fact that they are puppets for big corporate organizations with politicians that are all insiders, hardly the grassroots that they claim to be.
It is debatable the influence Perot, Buchannan, and Nader had on the elections other than swinging the vote from one of the two parties to the other, rather than have any positive effect on a third party.
Also, lets say a third party president wins, then what? That president would have no allies in Congress, so they would then have to decide if they are going to work on the Democrats' side or the Republicans' side. At that point, they are more of a Republican or Democrat than they are a third party.
If you want a third party president, then that third party would need the support of people in their party holding state seats, governor seats, and Congressional seats.
Until that happens, the idea of a third party is nothing more than a feel good thing that won't actually accomplish anything.
The Tea Party is a division of the Republican Party, not a separate party, and what bothers me about the Tea Party is the fact that they are puppets for big corporate organizations with politicians that are all insiders, hardly the grassroots that they claim to be.
No doubt that is why they have helped defeat big business Republicans.
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It is debatable the influence Perot, Buchannan, and Nader had on the elections other than swinging the vote from one of the two parties to the other, rather than have any positive effect on a third party.
IMO those who vote third party are the ones that least likely like being lied to and as you note can swing elections. If you really dislike being lied to, join them.
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Also, lets say a third party president wins, then what? That president would have no allies in Congress, so they would then have to decide if they are going to work on the Democrats' side or the Republicans' side. At that point, they are more of a Republican or Democrat than they are a third party.
If you want a third party president, then that third party would need the support of people in their party holding state seats, governor seats, and Congressional seats.
Until that happens, the idea of a third party is nothing more than a feel good thing that won't actually accomplish anything.
The country is in a mess. I'd say doing nothing would be a step in the right direction. Just don't tell me you support clean energy but then still back the guy that has increased our reliance on coal.
No doubt that is why they have helped defeat big business Republicans.
IMO those who vote third party are the ones that least likely like being lied to and as you note can swing elections. If you really dislike being lied to, join them.
The country is in a mess. I'd say doing nothing would be a step in the right direction. Just don't tell me you support clean energy but then still back the guy that has increased our reliance on coal.
There isn't a third party that I like, and I am not going to just join a random party because I want to feel good about voting third party.
There is more than just energy policies for voting for a person. I disagree with Obama about that, but that doesn't mean I disagree with him on everything or even enough to vote against him, which I didn't I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012, I didn't like either Republican candidate and had no interest in voting for any poorly formed third party candidate that couldn't do anything in office if they ever won the election.
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Actually I would have been a big supporter of the Bull Moose Party back in the day.
