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Old 03-06-2014, 02:26 PM
 
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Unions peaked in the 50's.

Real wages have remained the same since 1973.

Retail and food services have been the largest employment sectors since the mid 80's.

Walmart replaced IBM as the largest private sector employer in 1989.

Globalization and technology have eliminated 10 of millions of jobs over the past 40 years..

There has never been a serious effort to crack down on employment of undocumented workers.

72% of small businesses have no employees and 52% of them are operated from home and none of them are innovators/job creators.

The population is aging and programs are seriously underfunded.

The developed world has been on a continuous decline for decades, except for bubbles.

No president or Congress is going to make it all better.

Last I checked, the constitution did not guarantee the U.S. people the right to enjoy a higher standard of living than the rest of the world. That we did for awhile, is a blip in time.
And Bill Clinton signed NAFTA. Forgot that one. Globalization wasn't a big factor in manufacturing jobs until NAFTA and China was given Most Favored Nation status. Also a Bill Clinton "accomplishment."
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The facts are there are just too many people in the world and with technology constantly becoming more efficient and eliminating jobs, there are simply not enough jobs to go around. The only way this country gains jobs is if we stop purchasing our goods from Asia and start producing them here at higher cost. This alone would create millions of jobs.. just everything we buy would be a lot more expensive.

Switching gears, what about having Americans work in the fields. People think they are too good for this kind of work, but shoot here in California, there are hundreds of thousands jobs working in the fields. But nope, not a single non-immigrant working there. So everyone complains about the lack of jobs... is there really a lack of jobs or just an abundance of pride to stop people from taking less than desirable jobs?
There's a major landscaping company in my area and I know their lead designer well. They start their field guys $10 an hour. Given most do not speak English, I assume most are undocumented. I point blank asked her why they don't hire U.S. people for these jobs, given $10 is better than minimum wage.

She told me they hire a few young guys, every season. Thus far, none of them last a week. The work is too physically demanding in hot and humid temps and in season, they work 10-12 hour/days.
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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And Bill Clinton signed NAFTA. Forgot that one. Globalization wasn't a big factor in manufacturing jobs until NAFTA and China was given Most Favored Nation status. Also a Bill Clinton "accomplishment."
I take it you forgot that Republicans created and passed NAFTA in Congress, Bush Sr was the one who was a big cheerleader for it until he lost his reelection. Clinton's mistake was trusting Republicans.
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:36 PM
 
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I take it you forgot that Republicans created and passed NAFTA in Congress, Bush Sr was the one who was a big cheerleader for it until he lost his reelection. Clinton's mistake was trusting Republicans.
We leave it to our President to determine whether legislation that has been passed is good for the country or not. That's his role. Bill Clinton had every opportunity to veto NAFTA, but he didn't. Bill has expressed some regret for signing NAFTA. Being President, we the people rely on HIM to do what he thinks is best, and he thought NAFTA was good policy. He was wrong. And America was screwed in the process.
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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And Bill Clinton signed NAFTA. Forgot that one. Globalization wasn't a big factor in manufacturing jobs until NAFTA and China was given Most Favored Nation status. Also a Bill Clinton "accomplishment."
Bill Clinton signed a bill initiated by 'free markets' Reagan and Bush and which passed Congress on majority Republican votes.
P.S.: NAFTA gave nothing to China - no trade deals and not 'Most Favored Nation' status.
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:38 PM
 
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When was the last time you were in Radio Shack? I couldn't even tell you where the nearest one is and why would I want to go there when I can get everything I need from other place, including online. Just because a store exists doesn't mean I must shop there to keep it alive.
True, but just because you don't shop there doesn't exactly mean you shouldn't know that they exist on every corner and in every mall. LOL
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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We leave it to our President to determine whether legislation that has been passed is good for the country or not. That's his role. Bill Clinton had every opportunity to veto NAFTA, but he didn't. Bill has expressed some regret for signing NAFTA. Being President, we the people rely on HIM to do what he thinks is best, and he thought NAFTA was good policy. He was wrong. And America was screwed in the process.
And that is what I just said, it was a mistake for Clinton to believe the Republicans when they handed him NAFTA, it should have been shot down because the Republicans put together a bad bill that was bad for Americans but great for their financial backers. Bill Clinton hurt America because he trusted Republicans.
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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True, but just because you don't shop there doesn't exactly mean you shouldn't know that they exist on every corner and in every mall. LOL
Every corner and in every mall? Are you still talking about Radio Shack or are you now talking about Starbucks?
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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And Bill Clinton signed NAFTA. Forgot that one. Globalization wasn't a big factor in manufacturing jobs until NAFTA and China was given Most Favored Nation status. Also a Bill Clinton "accomplishment."
Globalization began in the 60's.

China has had MFN status since 1934, when the U.S. gave every nation that status. China was suspended in 1952 when it invaded Tibet. It was restored in 1980. Congress approved the annual renewal of this status until 2001, when it was made permanent.

NAFTA was negotiated by Bush 1 and ceremoniously signed by him. Congress subsequently approved it and the President signed it. The NA in NAFTA stands for North American, as in Mexico and Canada, a small part of the globe.
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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How much do these "jobs in the fields" pay and how much is deducted for room and board etc....?
Not a whole lot. Certainly not enough to support a family. Here is a really interesting book about this:
The American Way of Eating: Undercover at Walmart, Applebee's, Farm Fields and the Dinner Table: Tracie McMillan: 9781439171967: Amazon.com: Books

Good article based on the book. In a nutshell, a white woman goes undercover to work in the grocery at Walmart, Applebees, and in the Garlic fields in CA to see what life was like (and if she could afford life).

The short answer was no. The chapter in CA was very interesting. She struggled to find work without connection. She was really really slow, and didn't make much money. And her wages worked out to be far less than minimum wage. Her employers found all sorts of ways to reduce her pay.

From a review: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/bo...of-eating.html

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The news Ms. McMillan brings about life on the front lines is mostly grim. In the California fields, where she is the only gringa, she makes far less than minimum wage, sometimes as little as $26 for nine hours of back-breaking work. She lives in cockroach-filled houses, all she can afford, with more than a dozen other people. She delivers a brutal takedown of corporations that, in her view, pretend on their sunny Web sites to treat workers well but in practice use labor contractors that often cheat them.
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